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- From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
- Newsgroups: rec.audio
- Subject: Re: Bose Speakers
- Message-ID: <5897@gold.gvg.tek.com>
- Date: 23 Jan 93 02:00:33 GMT
- References: <MJKOBB.93Jan16232028@media-lab.media.mit.edu> <1993Jan17.053823.1378@news.columbia.edu> <93Jan17.024810est.47601@neat.cs.toronto.edu>
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- In article <93Jan17.024810est.47601@neat.cs.toronto.edu> tgk@cs.toronto.edu
- (Todd Kelley) writes:
- >gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener) writes:
-
- >>The whole "direct/reflecting" thing is based on the idea that since
- >>most of the sound you hear in a live event is reflected, you should
- >>bounce a lot of the sound off the rear walls, etc. to re-create the
- >>effect. Nice idea, and eminently marketable. But the man forgot that
- >>the sound has _already_ been bounced around before being recorded.
-
- I agree with Gabe here. The best imaging speakers are the direct
- radiator type (owners of ESL's will disagree for sure) IMHO. :-)
-
- >Hold on now. That depends on how the music is recorded. I must admit
- >upfront that I know little about recording studios, but I can't imagine
- >why an engineer would amplify the output from an electric guitar or
- >electric piano, run it through a loudspeaker, and record the sound
- >with a microphone placed so that it gets both direct and reflected sound
-
- Hold on there yer self! You are speaking of multi-tracking pop/etc
- music and Gabe is (generally) speaking of recording an orchestra, etc
- in a nice sounding venue. Something he does a lot.
-
- And yes even in pop, rock, etc. It is commom practice to mic
- amplifiers, and yes sometimes you put the amp in a big room and
- distance mic. That's how you get a wall of marshalls to sound like
- they do on stage.
-
- This applies to acoustic instruments. The drums on S&G's "Bridge over
- troubled water" was recorded with the kit set up next to an open
- elevator shaft and a U47 was lowered down the shaft (this was pre
- digital reverbs don't ya know) for the blooming reverb effect.
-
- >waves. When a vocal is recorded, the singer is always just several
- >inches from the microphone, so that sound waves bouncing of the walls
- >should be insignificant. Aren't those wall anechoic, anyway?
-
- The sound of the tracking room is well imprinted on the instrument,
- even if it is close mic'ed. The Beatles in the Abbey Road Studio is a
- classic example.
-
- Not every vocalist is recorded close to the mic. It is based on the
- singers voice, the type of mic used, the strength of the vocalists
- voice, etc.
-
- I was doing a session once (playing not engineering, I do both) we
- had the fiddle player in the vocal booth. The VB was small, about
- 8'x10'. The instrument was close mic'ed (about 1') with a U67.
-
- There was a _lot_ of the room sound inparted to the instrument. The
- small size of the room made the instrument sound boxy and unnatural.
- It worked fine for this rock date though.
-
- The vocals that we did later sounded fine also, about the same
- distance from the mic, the room tone built up the male vocalists week
- nasal voice. The female BU singer sounded great also, besided being
- drop dead beautiful!
-
- The walls in a recording studio are not anechoic! Reflective,
- absoptive, defracting but _not_ anechoic! I take that back...some
- studios have been done that way. They are crazy to work in. It feels
- like you are playing real hard. I played on a drum kit that was set
- up in a small iso booth, with sonex panels at each side of the kit.
- The sound on the cans in the booth was strange, dry, lifeless, it
- forced me to play harded. I believe this was intentional, to get a
- specific sound (listen to SuperTramps "Breakfast in America") The
- sound in the CR was dramatically different.
-
- I once walked into an old Radio Production Studio. It was nearly
- anechoic. It felt like someone sucked my brain outta my head. The
- lack of reflections was very distressing!
-
- >>That is just one example of the brilliant engineering that the company
- >>practices.
-
- >Can you think of different example? 'Cause I don't think the one
- >you gave makes your point.
-
- You all must bored if the best you can get onto is Bose bashing.......:-)
-
- Have a nice day all!
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