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- From: hlj@hal.nta.no (Harald Ljoen FBA)
- Subject: Re: MiniDiscs -- What Are They?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.121032.13184@nntp.nta.no>
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- References: <shetline-150193173933@128.89.19.95> <30340@castle.ed.ac.uk> <1993Jan18.140434.1218@cmkrnl.com> <30416@castle.ed.ac.uk> <24645@alice.att.com> <1993Jan20.094857.28481@nntp.nta.no> <24664@alice.att.com>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:10:32 GMT
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- In article <24664@alice.att.com>, jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan20.094857.28481@nntp.nta.no> harald.ljoeen@nta.no writes:
- >>In article <24645@alice.att.com>, jj@alice.att.com (J. Johnston) writes:
- >>>I disagree that the differences are likely to be due to the DAC.
- >>>Some differences, perhaps. BUT try recording a pulse train at
- >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >>>630 Hz or so, or a set of non-harmonic tones spaced about 750 Hz
- >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >>>apart, starting in the 690Hz range, or white noise, or something that
- >> ^^^^^^^^^^^
- >>>moves rapidly (i.e. on a 2ms basis) between the two channels,
- >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >>>or so on.
- >>
- >>Some people's musical taste is strange, indeed!
- >
- >Oh, you never listen to brushed cymbals close-miked miked 90 degrees apart?
- >
- >Never heard a recording with "phasing" between the two channels?
- >
- >Never heard a recording where a violin and viola play in unison
- >across the orchestra?
- >
- >Never listened to a jazz recording with a line of brass spread
- >out across the soundfield?
- >
- >You never listen to electronic music? You never listen to a
- >clarinet playing somewhere around e above middle c?
- >
- >A harpsichord miked one above one below the soundboard?
- >
- >Enya's "Shepherd Moon?" Castanets in "Carmen"? Gongs, bells,
- >glockenspiel, vibes, marimba?
- >
- >Perhaps your taste is more exclusive than some.
-
- These are all musical signals. The music I like to listen to have
- *non-stationarity* as one of its most dominant and important features.
- You proposed to record
-
- - a pulse train at 630 Hz or so
- - set of non-harmonic tones spaced about 750 Hz apart, starting in
- the 690Hz range
- - white noise
-
- which are non-musical stationary noise signals constructed to reveal the
- weaknesses of the coding scheme in DCC and MD. As such, it's OK. I was
- merely trying to make the point that DCC (like any bit-rate reduction coding)
- is designed to perform well with real-life signals, not necessarily with
- *any* weird synthetic waveform you might be able to construct.
-
- --
- ** Also sprach harald.ljoeen@nta.no **
-