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- From: fyl@fylz.wa.com (Phil Hughes)
- Newsgroups: pnw.general
- Subject: Re: Seattle City Light vs. Puget Power
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.053516.14470@fylz.wa.com>
- Date: 21 Jan 93 05:35:16 GMT
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- Organization: FYL
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- Walter Bright (bright@nazgul.UUCP) wrote:
- : In article <1993Jan15.185508.25411@ssc.com> fyl@ssc.com (Phil Hughes) writes:
- : /Next time you consider buying something in an aluminium can, remember that
- : /it is about one kilowatt hour per can as opposed to 1 KWH/per six bottles
- : /for glass. If you want to do something about rising energy consumption,
- : /think before you buy. For example, one package of bleached paper towels =
- : /1KHW of energy to do the bleaching.
- :
- : Obviously, there must be some cost advantage to cans over bottles because the
- : soft drink industry is all cans. I'm guessing, but perhaps some of that
- : is *weight*. Weight costs energy (in transportation costs). And sand is
- : cheap. So why do soft drink companies prefer cans?
-
- Oh, there is a cost advantage. First, the unreasonably low cost of
- electricity subsidizes the aluminum industry. When I lived on a farm
- we had "real power" for the house at about $.02/kwh and
- "interruptable power" for the irrigation pump at $.006/kwh. The
- interruptable was never interrupted and seldom is. This is the kind
- of power the aluminum industry uses.
-
- In addition, aluminum cans weigh less, are smaller (because the can is
- thinner than a bottle) and are less likely to break. I am sure the
- bottling industry picks cans over bottles because, to them, the cost
- is lower. Unfortunately, the cost to them is not the cost to society.
- We have various subsidies for transportation as well as cheap
- electricity well below the market cost for the aluminum industry and
- depletion allowances for using mined ore over recycled aluminum.
-
- Thus it is fairly difficult to compute what type of packaging has the
- lower impact on the population. Based on my research, however, I feel
- that bottles have the lower impact. And I think reused bottles would
- have a lower impact still. Yes, it probably costs more money for a
- boteler to sort, clean and reuse bottles but having people employed
- doing these tasks rather than having them on welfare roles I expect
- increases the cost to society.
-
- Is there a fair solution? I think so but it is hard to implement as
- long as lobbiests have control of government. Personally I would
- rather subsidize the cost of health care than the cost of putting
- pepsi in aluminum cans. Isn't it more in the American spirit to be
- able to say "everyone has access to health care in our country" than
- "everyone saves $.05 on a can of pepsi"?
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