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- From: ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
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- Subject: Re: harmful effects of gnu software II
- Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:37:33 -0800
- Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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- tyrell@seaotter.micro.umn.edu (john drexler) writes:
-
- >and marketing resources to take a hit from GNU. Who in their right mind, in
- >a volatile market like todays, is going to ENTER the UNIX market (where free
- >software is rampant) and put money into creating OS or compilers?
-
- The lack of commercial compilers for Unix in the old days had more to
- do with the bundled (supported) C compiler, binary compatibility
- hassles (e.g. DEC Mips boxes used to be incompatible with all other
- Mips boxes) and low installed base.
-
- Consider a success story: Sun. Sun unbundled their C compiler.
- It also helps that SPARC has an installed base of 0.8 million, with
- good binary compatibility between all of them.
-
- You say: in the presence of gcc nobody will want to write compilers for
- SPARCs. I say "in the absence of a bundled cc, given binary compatibility
- across a large installed base, they will come".
-
- In the event, I know of the following shipping compilers for SPARC:
- Saber, Lucid, Apogee, Sunpro. There exist a few others I can't recall.
-
- These vendors are forced to do better in the presence of gcc+Cygnus.
- E.g. Lucid and Saber are moving into GUI "development environments"
- (not _my_ idea of a good way to develop software, but it gives users
- more choices). Apogee and Sunpro are working hard on producing better
- code. I think it's a very healthy state of affairs.
-
- BTW Lucid and Emacs is a beautiful story of two-way interactions between
- the worlds of free software and commercial software. Someone care to
- tell us the history of the project?
-
- -ans.
- --
- Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@rcf.usc.edu
-