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- From: sullivan@cs.washington.edu (Kevin Sullivan)
- Subject: Re: Why is the Software Process NOT working
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.190734.3346@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
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- Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
- References: <1993Jan19.155446.13593@cs.few.eur.nl> <1993Jan20.132009.10982@cc.gatech.edu> <C1F1vC.27B@plato.ds.boeing.com>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:07:34 GMT
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- B. Bruegge, J. Blythe, J. Jackson, and J. Shufelt, "Object-oriented system
- modeling with OMT," OOPSLA 92, is an interesting report on the application
- of object-oriented software engineering in a university setting. Thirty
- students applied Rumbaugh's OMT, producing a 125 class, 27,000 line, "real
- world" system in C/C++ in a period of 15 weeks. (Thanks to B. Griswold for
- highlighting this article.)
-
- --Kevin
-
- In article <C1F1vC.27B@plato.ds.boeing.com> mattb@plato.boeing.com (Matt Baney) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan20.132009.10982@cc.gatech.edu> tomg@cc.gatech.edu (Tom Gale) writes:
- >>> So I wonder, what happens when they leave university? Do they forget
- >>> everything they have learned. Or is there some mysterious fact
- >>> that changes you when you start working.
- >>
- >>I think they're doing exactly what they were taught in the universities.
- >>
- >>This is a bit of a generalization, but I don't see much emphasis on
- >>process improvement, quality, and good software engineering skills in
- >>general in our university curriculums. Sure, there may be a few
- >>elective courses in software engineering or software management, but
- >>in 90% of the courses programming assignments are done as a complete
- >>hack in order to meet some short term deadline with the knowledge that
- >>the code will be thrown away when finished. My impression is that
- >>most students view software engineering courses as a nuisance with too
- >>much report writing and not enough coding. Hacking on the other hand
- >>has a mystique in the academic setting that breeds hacker wanna-be's.
- >>
- >>So I believe that universities are breeding grounds for hackers. It
- >>isn't until they've come out into the real world and been involved in
- >>several failed projects that the light begins to come on.
- >>
- >I agree, in college you learn to hack out code, mainly on your own without
- >any input or help from any outside people (but occasionally in small groups),
- >that will never be used or looked at again by yourself or anyone else, code
- >that will never be "used" by any user. Yet when programmers get to the
- >real world they are expected to work together with other programmers, work
- >on a small part of a much larger program, write code that is maintainable
- >by someone-else, or maintain someone-elses code, and finally write code that
- >will be used and tested by a completely separate group of people.
- >
- >I would like to see a two or three segment sequence of computer science
- >courses where in Segement I: programming teams of 3-4 people must build
- >some sizable application, including a users manual and maintenance manual,
- >then in the next segments, the programming teams are re-shuffled and the
- >new teams act as users of one of the applications from the previous segment
- >and maintainers of another. And are not allowed to be user or maintainers
- >of an application they helped develop? The user groups and/or instructor
- >would propose some enhancements/modifications that the maintenance groups
- >would have to implement.
- >
- >FWIW
- >matt
- >
- >
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- Kevin Sullivan
- Department of Computer Science and Engineering, FR-35
- University of Washington
- Seattle, WA 98195
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