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- From: orpheus@reed.edu (P. Hawthorne)
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- Subject: Re: DISMANTLE MICROSOFT (Was Re: Industry market shares)
- Keywords: Microsoft
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.115512.6873@reed.edu>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 11:55:12 GMT
- Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan26.115512.6873
- References: <1993Jan22.073622.21914@reed.edu> <C1F3Kx.267@phage.cshl.org> <C1Fq2G.Lv4@panix.com>
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- William Chesters, williamc@aifh.ed.ac.uk, writes:
- [Some religious discussion about windowing systems deleted.]
- : Anyway, just the threat that Macs or Gem might start being a real
- : challenge did spur MS into some kind of action: so there is _some_
- : competition.
-
- Tom Boutell, boutell@isis.cshl.org, sarcastically advocates the devil:
- : Never mind that for a company without competition to worry about,
- : they have a strange tendency to keep producing new and better products....
- : Never mind, more importantly, that these figures utterly ignore the
- : issue of international competition.
-
- Robert Mah, rmah@panix.com, counters:
- : MS products are not, IMO, the paragon of quality.... The only reason MS has
- : the vast majority of it's employees here is that the market is here and the
- : people with the needed skills are hear. If that changes, they move.
-
- Neither the quality of Microsoft products nor their Made in America
- status is actually at issue here. Certainly Microsoft is as American as
- Boeing or Nike, perhaps even more so. And certainly Microsoft is capable of
- besting, buying or killing the competiton.
-
- Microsoft is a fierce competitor, and nobody is going to argue that
- point. There are a great many people out there who can describe what it is
- like to have Microsoft decide that your employer is a threat. It can be a
- bloody mess. (I am amazed that CE Software has done as well as it has.)
-
- The many parts of a dismantled Microsoft would also be strong
- competitors, and would also be American companies. The difference would be
- the chances of even surviving competition with them, given x dollars of
- capital. We should be able to agree that it very hard for anyone to take on
- Microsoft one on one, no matter the details of the products or the
- orientation of the market.
-
- Say you had a prototype of a product that could kill the shipping version
- of Microsoft Whatever dead. What kind of capital would you need to get it
- on shelves and supported? And when the next version of Microsoft Whatever
- ships, having swallowed up and digested whatever advantage your product
- had, you're toast unless you've got a lot more capital at the ready.
-
- Remember, nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft.
-
- Does anyone deny that the billions of dollars that Microsoft earns in a
- year could also be earned by fragments of Microsoft, that many software
- markets would be liberated, and that there would be more competitors on the
- scene being fruitful and employing people?
-
-
- William Chesters, williamc@aifh.ed.ac.uk, writes:
- : Do you remember in the early days of micros it looked like there would
- : be an awful lot of incompatible standards? Until IBM and DOS came along
- : of course.
-
- There actually were a lot of incompatible standards. I belonged to a
- group that had to translate disks to more operating systems than I care to
- remember. That everyone could eventually used PC disks was a real boon.
- However, I do not credit Microsoft for this turn of events. Rather, I
- credit IBM and the real need for a standard of some sort. I don't think we
- should interpret the dominance of the PC as justification for the
- predatorial capitalism practiced by Microsoft. Let's not blur the two.
-
- If all that Microsoft can justify itself with is standards, perhaps we
- should take a look at those standards. At what price do these standards
- come? With the exception of RTF, I would say that Microsoft standards suck
- rotten eggs. And if Microsoft standards are better than no standards, I say
- we give Baby Microsoft standards a fair chance.
-
- Hell, MCI posted big earnings last quarter, didn't they?
-
- Prometheus Hawthorne - Jones (orpheus@reed.edu)
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