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- From: kardank@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Kardan Kaveh)
- Subject: Re: Why Isn't Lisp a Mainstream Language?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.175935.24272@cc.umontreal.ca>
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- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:59:35 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan27.070106.28425@ads.com> bvrotney@ADS.COM (Bill Vrotney) writes:
- >
- >In article <WELCH.93Jan26205611@sacral.cis.ohio-state.edu>
- >welch@sacral.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arun Welch) writes:
- >
- >> I think an associated question we should be asking is "How can we
- >> increase Lisp's popularity"? Knowing why it isn't popular is a good
- >> thing to discuss, but it would also be good to know where to go from
- >> [...]
- >Yes "Where to go from here?" I am disappointed that the Lisp leadership is
- >not addressing this question. This begs for something like the Common Lisp
- >project but aimed at making Lisp smaller and faster in an organized way. I
- >[...]
-
- Every once in a while this thread pops up, with people lamenting over the
- size of Common Lisp. Usually, someone (me, in this instance) will point out
- that there is a small, standardized (IEEE) lisp around: Scheme.
-
- I am crossposting this to comp.lang.scheme because I feel the point made above
- applies to some extent to scheme as well.
-
- Although the technical side of scheme has been very well handled, I find the
- lack of scheme in the marketplace quite disturbing. According to the FAQ,
- there is only _one_ commercial implementation of scheme running on UNIX
- workstations (Chez Scheme).
-
- There are several free implementations around, but all are either toy
- implementations or are concerned with being an "extestion language" for
- applications written in C. As a result they have no compilers and no
- development environments. Even MIT Scheme is not suited for serious,
- production quality development (IMHO). No foreign-function interface, for
- one.
-
- It can be argued that academia has done its job in presenting us with
- extremely elegant standards (R4RS and IEEE), but the commercial sector has
- dropped the ball. Why, for example, do none of the CL vendors also have
- scheme systems for sale?
-
- Do we have to wait around for Dylan to appear? Scheme offers, to a large
- extent, what Dylan promises at some uncertain time in the future.
-
- Kaveh
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