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- From: nakashim@etl.go.jp (Hideyuki Nakashima)
- Subject: Re: discussion with Penrose
- In-Reply-To: ginsberg@t.Stanford.EDU's message of Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16: 00:50 GMT
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:08:03 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec17.160050.9104@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ginsberg@t.Stanford.EDU (Matthew L. Ginsberg) writes:
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- 1. Penrose believes that his belief in mathematical sentences is
- special; there is something qualitatively different about his belief
- that e**(i pi) = -1, for example, than his belief that he has a stomach
- ache.
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- 2. Penrose believes that strong AI (the claim that a Turing machine
- can pass the Turing test, for example) is false.
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- 3. Penrose believes that (1) implies (2), and that the proof is
- basically as outlined in his book.
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- I think Penrose is right about (3), but wrong about (1) (and therefore
- unjustified in concluding (2)).
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- If (2) and (3) are correct, then there exists a Tuting test which will
- distinguish the belief states described in (1). Applying the test to
- Matt and Penrose, it can be found which of you are correct.
-
- But since both of you agreed on
-
- that neither of us had any hope of
- changing the other's views on (1),
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- it can be concluded that (1) is wrong (by assuming (2) and (3)) :-)
-
- --
- Hideyuki Nakashima
- Cooperative Architecture
- Electrotechincal Lab.
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