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- From: freedman@cs.colostate.edu (keith freedman)
- Subject: Re: Amendment 2 Yet Again (was Re: Colorado
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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:51:49 GMT
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- In article 6168@ucsu.Colorado.EDU, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
- >>Is the right to not be fired from your job *solely* because you are gay
- >>a "special right"?
- >
- >I don't think "right" applies in this context: Working for a particular
- >person/company is a privilage, not a right. I don't, for example,
- >think I have a "right" not to be fired solely for having green eyes.
-
- Affirmative action laws were created because people running businesses
- were discriminating for such reasons. The determination, I think, Is
- that it is a priveledge to run a business, not to have a job. So, if
- you run a business you have to hire ANY QUALIFIED person. Eye color
- has no bearing on qualification, nor does skin color, religious choices
- or sexual orientation.
-
- From a purely business standpoint. What difference does it make if you
- don't like an employee/customer as long as they get the job done!!!
- >
- >>Is the right to not be evicted from your apartment *solely* because you
- >>are gay a "special right"?
- >
- >Again, I think the only real "right" involved is on the other side: A
- >person has a right to use his personal property however he wants. That
- >includes the right to rent, or not to rent, an apartment to whoever
- >he wants.
-
- I think that if it is a situation where a person wants to SHARE an
- appartment, then the person living there has the right to decide
- whom to live with. However, if the appartment is run as a business,
- they shouldn't care who lives there as long as they pay rent on time
- and don't ruin the appartment. Having green eyes doesn't destroy
- carpeting. However, There is the right for a business to refuse
- service to anyone!
-
- >>Is a legally recognized marriage a "special right"?
- >
- >A legally recognized marriage is a privilage offered by the government.
- >No one has a right to it. (If the state were to simply step out of the
- >matter, and leave marriages to the church and the individuals involved,
- >this wouldn't violate anyone's rights.)
- >
- >The issues you raise (marriage, employment and housing) aren't
- >what I'd call rights, but as far as support for Amendment 2 goes
- >that's just a question of semantics. There isn't much public
- >opposition to laws assuring these privilages.
-
- Government gives tax incentives to married couples. I think the question
- here is that if people of the same sex are allowed to get married, then
- they can capitalize on these incentives. Also, many insurance policies
- held by employeers give benefits to a spouse not a "good friend."
-
- Plus, it seems that the entire basis of the whole ammendment 2 issue
- is based upon religious beliefs. Since we, in this country, are
- supposed to have a separation of church and state, religious beliefs
- aren't supposed to influence government to the extent that they might
- affect another citizens beliefs.
-
- I guess there are exceptions to this--some people's religions encourage
- polygomy, sacrifice, etc...
-
- ---
- Keith Freedman
- Colorado State University
- Department of Computer Science
- Systems Administration
-
-