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- From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
- Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really be
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.164106.20695@ncar.ucar.edu>
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- Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
- References: <Jan22.185847.33362@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:41:06 GMT
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- freedman@cs.colostate.edu (keith freedman) writes:
- >you seem unconcerned about the environmental toll here. Anyways, if
- >supply dwindles, we'll just tear up the alaskan wildlife refuge to get
-
- I am not unconcerned about the environmental problem. I am
- trying to show that there are more reasons to raise gas prices
- than just pollution or to pay off national debt (albiet I'm
- having a tough time trying to express it clearly). The enire
- mindset of this country *seems* to be bigger is better, more
- is better. The prevailing attitude is "grow, grow, grow", but
- uncontrolled growth is not good. People can still be prosperous
- with a slow rate of growth. Cheap gas promotes "grow, grow,
- grow".
-
- Cheap gas prices are creating a global economy. And I don't think
- a global economy is good. I think that local economies are better.
- I think buying a coffee table from a local craftsman is better than
- getting the state of the art Swedish coffee table made from bula-bula
- wood (don't view this as the typical "buy American"/"Pride in
- America" attitude, that is not what I'm getting at). Having
- stuff shipped from all over the world is just another link that
- can break down. The price of everything suddenly becomes subject
- to the price of gas.
-
- kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski) writes:
- >Great, then let's do it by market forces. Regarless of what you may think
- >about Amoco, Mobil, Shell and the rest, do you think that when oil supplies
- >run low they'll say "hey, that was fun, let's close now"? They'll put more
- >and more research into alternative fuels and producing them at prices as
- >close as possible to what we now pay for gas. They'll need to do it to
- >survive, something which is a goal for most companies...
-
- My opinion of Oil companies is irrelevant. This seems to
- exemplify the "let's just look at one side of the equation"
- attitude. When GNP goes up everybody goes "yeah". GNP is
- like looking at a P&L without the Stockholder's Equity section.
- It doesn't show resource depletion. Petroleum has a geoligic
- renewal rate.
-
-
- fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
- >However, I _like_ finding fresh food on the shelves (even in winter).
- >That requires shipping from other parts of the country (possible
- >because of cheap energy).
-
- Energy is not the only thing produced from petroleum. Plastics
- and nylon are other big items. These will all have to be replaced
- also besides gasoline.
-
-
- >>I don't consider having to get in my car and driving 1 mile to the
- >>store a "high standard".
-
- >Then walk: It shouldn't take more than 20 minutes (in fact walking
- >about a mile is how I usually shop.)
-
- I do frequently (ride my bike). Maybe this wasn't a perfect example.
-
- I consider going to a local pub and seeing a good local band a
- higher-standard than going to see Eric Clapton at some large venue.
- The things that some people believe are a "higher standard" are
- really a lower standard.
-
- I'm sure my position is crystal clear now. ;^)
-
- --Chris
-