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- From: johansc@hedda.uio.no (Johan Schimanski)
- Newsgroups: alt.zines
- Subject: Re: Latest F5 info
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 10:18:11 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan25.000414.25673@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
- bobc@pyramid.unr.edu (Bob Conrad) wrote:
-
- > for an upcoming zine show. it said "fanzines=artzines, homozines, litzines,
- > femzines, musiczines, personalzines, punkzines, comiczines" or something
- > to that effect. to read it you'd get the impression on "punkzines" are
- > some little bastard faction of fanzines, when in reality fanzines have been
- > nurtured and hyped almost exclusively by the punk scene for the last
- > 15 years! sure, they word "fanzine" originally came from sci-fi rags
- > in the early 70s but it's been punk culture that kept the word alive
- > and then pushed it to its presnt possibilities. it's been the punk
- > culture that nurtured and revitalized the small underground press the same
- > way it nurtured and revitalized vinyl and cassette tapes and film and
- > fashion and rock-n-roll and, to some extent, radical art and radical
- > politics....END (there's more but you get the point)
-
- So you reckon that punkzines should be enchrined in some sort of privileged
- category, carried around by stretch limo, etc? Well, all of the punkzines I
- have seen (and liked) have been SOLD for MONEY. Whereas the sf/fannish zine
- scene has been around since 1930 (already reaching a large production rate
- by the 40s), developing a culture which set the criteria for much of the
- rest of zinedom, and mostly subsisted on distribution WITHOUT money. I
- think this is a challenge to the status of punkzines. Are they really
- fanzines, or just amateur magazines?
-
- Here in Scandinavia, production of punkzines reached a peak around 1982,
- but in the amount/quality of material produced, never challenged the
- (albeit lesser known) sf/fannish zine scene, especially in Sweden.
-
- But this is just rhetoric from my part. I don't think anybody has anything
- to win by putting one form of zine on a pedestal. I think all genres should
- be mentioned in little lists just like the one you quote. Also, I do not
- disagree with you main point, that punk culture has reinscribed the
- underground.
-
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