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- From: frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell)
- Newsgroups: alt.recovery
- Subject: Agnostics in recovery (was Re: advice wanted ...).
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:14:24 GMT
- Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
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- hunt@shy.umd.edu (Brian Hunt) writes:
-
- >He has gone to some AA meetings, but I think he feels uncomfortable
- >with the importance of a "higher power" in the group's thinking (I
- >suspect I would be too, for that matter). I know that one is not
- >ostracized for being nonreligious, but I can see that he may have
- >difficulty identifying with a group of people who are looking to their
- >religions for help in recovering. Does anyone have a success story to
- >tell having done things the AA way in spite of being very
- >nonreligious? Does anyone know of any recovery groups which cater to
- >the nonreligious?
-
- Yes, I know a number of people who have gotten sober and
- stayed that way for quite a long time while being hard-headed
- agnostics or atheists and having varying degrees of problems
- with the AA program as it is usually experienced.
-
- Although it's frequently said that AA is a "spiritual" rather
- than "religious" program, the frequent use of prayer, mention
- of God in AA literature, etc, makes many nonbelievers
- uncomfortable nonetheless. This seems to depend on the area
- of the country and style of the meeting.
-
- In some areas, "We Agnostics" AA meetings are available.
- These use the general AA framework but omit prayer and usually
- include a statement that the meeting is especially designed to
- accommodate those who have problems with the "higher power" concept.
-
- There are also a few non-AA recovery organizations such as
- Secular Organization for Sobriety (SOS), which use principles
- more or less like those of AA (taking things a little bit at
- a time, making sobriety the #1 priority, etc) but without the
- HP underpinning.
-
- Finally, there is an organization called Rational Recovery,
- which seems to sort of see itself as the devil's advocate to
- AA. This is based on the Rational-Emotive Therapy (RET)
- concept established by the psychologist Albert Ellis which
- encourages the participant to "dispute" irrational thought
- patterns which are believed to be at the heart of his/her
- problems. I don't know anyone personally who has been
- through this program.
-
- Best of luck to your friend!
-
- Frank
- frank@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov
-