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- From: Joe Karthauser <cogs.sussex.ac.uk!joek>
- Subject: Re: Religion
- Message-ID: <13173.9301250247@tsunb.ctn.cogs.susx.ac.uk>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:47:09 GMT
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- Original Sender: Joe Karthauser <cogs.sussex.ac.uk!joek>
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- >
- > On addressing the religious issue, religion is (or, as I hold it) a
- > personal matter. I, myself, do not agree with organized religion. The
- > relationship between one and the deity of their choice must be personal. To
- > take someone else's views on anything does not allow your own feelings to be
- > heard. Whether you're Christian, Buddhist, or atheistic (like myself) is only
-
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- > important to you. If you place 100% of yourself into your faith, you will
- > know what to do and what not to do. Placing that much into one's faith is
- > difficult, but that is the goal...isn't it?
- >
- > Golly, maybe I'm wrong...maybe.
- >
- > Steve
- >
- >
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- > Note: These views may possibly be someone's.| Frieden
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- I personally feel that it is very easy for people to fall into the habit of
- letting their religions rule them, rather than them ruling their religions.
-
- It's all too easy for someone to accept that what they have been taught about
- their religion is solid fact. What people forget is that whatever they've
- learnt is just a way of thinking; another interpretation of the facts.
-
- For instance most religions have a terrific amount in common. They have the
- same basic beliefs, just seen from a different angle. But instead of people
- being tolerant of each other's beliefs they go so far as to say that they are
- right and other religions are wrong! They say this without the hint of an
- understanding of the other "way of seeing things" and then believe that they
- have an informed opinion.
-
- As far as Oobes go if you look most religions have writings which relate to
- this topic. They don't explicitly state that that is what they are, as the
- people who were writing about these experiences didn't understand what was
- happening and so generated their own myths as explanations. If the myth fits
- then it generally gets used until it's disproved.
-
- For hundreds/thousands of years people thought that the sun travelled around
- the earth, we now think that the earth travels around the sun! All of the
- evidence points towards this theory, but we must not let ourselves fall into
- the trap of not questioning this! Imagine that someone discovers some amazing
- mechanism and states that the universe doesn't really exist in the way that we
- understand it; what would we say? Probably our first reaction would be to
- disbelieve the claims, because as far as we are concerned our model fits! This
- is because we don't have an understanding of the whole picture. Once we
- understand the bigger picture our model doesn't work anymore.
-
- What I'm trying to say is that we should learn to question everything and be
- aware that just because a model explanation fits it doesn't mean that another
- model wouldn't or couldn't be better.
-
- I'll finish with this: I was brought up in a Christian family where my parents
- took their beliefs very seriously, but in doing so allowed themselves to build
- up false ideas of the world.
-
- A friend of theirs was very ill and had a near death experience where they
- imagined that they went to heaven and saw old friends etc.. For my parents and
- their friends this experience they used to re-enforce their belief in
- Christianity over other ways of thinking. They failed to notice that other
- people in other religions experience the same things, except that instead of
- heaven, their main religious place was represented. For me this confirms that
- something else is happening, not necessarily exclusive to the Christian way of
- thinking.
-
- The way I see it is I can understand my parents religion and beliefs in terms
- of the way that I think, but my parents can't understand mine! Like trying to
- understand atoms in terms of compounds, when compounds should be explained in
- terms of atoms. It down to a question of fundamentals. What are the fundamental
- truths? It is my belief that most religions haven't narrowed it down yet!
-
- I believe that there is a lot of truth locked up in the ideas of men (and women
- :-) but it shouldn't be accepted at face value. If someone believes that the sun
- goes round the earth, and observations confirm this theory, are they right, or
- wrong? If they are wrong how can we prove that we're not wrong with some of our
- ideas? I put it to you....... What do you think?
-
- Food for though anyway... :-)
-
- Cheers,
-
- Joe
-
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