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- From: baylor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Baylor)
- Newsgroups: alt.native
- Subject: Re: Polyenesia (was Re: Question of Nativity), Alaska
- Date: 27 Jan 1993 00:06:25 GMT
- Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
- Lines: 76
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- >This is a crock of shit.
- >
- Ok, academic so far...
-
- >1) The Thai people speak a Sino-Tibetan language, which links them
- >directly to the Chinese and Burmese people. Malayo-Polynesian languages
- >are spoken in the Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia in South-East Asia.
- >The Thai are NOT Polynesian!!!
- >
- >2) The Tlingit language and culture are unique in the world, and not at
- >all related to Polynesian or other cultures. The same is true of their
- >artwork.
- >
- This assumes that the only way to identify a culture is by
- linguistic families. Assuming we all came from africa and spread
- outwards, it should be strange that we don't all speak the same linguistic
- family.
- Further, should there be a bering crossing, then the tlingit language
- wouldn't be uniqe, it would be the same as the cherokee, choctaw, tiwa, etc
- (unless of course they came a different route, which was how this
- started i believe, to the cries of bullshit).
- The polynesians were the best sailors around and are as responsible
- for indochina culture as they are for australian aborigine (another long
- journey and possibly also disputed).
- There are other factors, but i doubt it's interesting anyone...
-
-
- >3) I don't suppose YOU yourself have made this easy journey from Hawaii
- >to Japan to Alaska? You want to know how difficult it was to cross the
- >Pacific before the modern ship? Read about the Pacific crossings made by
- >Spanish galleons going from the Philippines to Mexico for centuries during
- >Spanish rule in those places. If you still aren't convinced, try this
- >"Alaska Crossing" yourself.
- >
- Actually it's rather easy to get caught in a cross current and
- get swept anywhere. That would somewhat explain the chinese anchors in
- San Francisco (dated early 900 ad i think?) and the various japanese
- inventions (metal, daggers) that are found through out the aleutians.
- I doubt even in a new ocean liner i could make the crossing
- although one person (heyerdal? the scandanavian dude) did it and
- documented it in kon tiki.
- Really, i'm not so sure why this should be impossible unless
- i can do it. To each their own.
- Oh yeah, the tiny viking ships managed to keep america/greenland
- settled for some centuries before the spanish arrived.
-
-
- >What will you armchair anthropologists come up with next? Links between
- >the Tlingits and the "lost continents" of Atlantis and Mu? It seems that
- >when anthropologists or archaeologists have a theory to prove, they will
- >disregard the evidence sitting right under their noses to make themselves
- >look good.
- >
- Someone i suspect has a major chip on their shoulder. I suppose
- those liars the anthropolgists will claim the earth isn't flat and
- people have been on the moon (something i personally have never done
- and therefore doubt anyone else could).
- I am far from an expert, but take some small bits of facts
- from those i trust, namely my mother, the phd anthropologist who
- spent 4 years in bangkok, and the books on chinese minorities written
- by whoever writes such things.
- If any of this sparks some interest, i have a rather nice library
- of books on this (phd-type books, not comic books).
- And we won't even discuss chinese maps of america found
- in 10th century bc and quite highly documented.
-
- >How do we know the "Bering Strait Migration" didn't go the other way?
- >
- >Chew on this for a while, people.
- >
- Well if it's a joke, too bad, it's an interesting if as-yet
- unsupported thought, but if you really don't know...
-
- - baylor
-
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-