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- From: idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mike Wilson)
- Subject: Re: Comments on the 2nd RFD: soc.culture.native
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- gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:
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- > CHARTER: Soc.culture.native is for the discussion of issues relating to
- > native populations throughout the world. For the purposes of defining this
- > newsgroup, "native" is considered roughly synonymous with "aboriginal" or
- > "indigenous." All of these terms designate the existing descendents of the
- > peoples who inhabited the present territory of a country at the time when
- > persons of a different culture or ethnic origin colonized that territory,
- > and who today live more in conformity with their particular social,
- > economic and cultural customs and traditions than with the institutions of
- > the country of which they now form a part, under a State structure which
- > incorporates mainly the national, social and cultural characteristics of
- > other segments of the population which are now predominant.
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- This addition sounds too exclusive for my tastes. Not all native
- people have been colonized, and in our honest moments we admit that
- native people have done some colonizing and oppressing ourselves.
- In other words, I don't like for us Native People to be defined
- by negation: that is, we are Native People because we are in
- opposition to oppressive Europeans. Native life, it seems to
- me, involves so many other things: family, ceremony, relatedness,
- tricksterism, balance, and so forth. This is the positive.
- At a pow-wow, or another gathering with people from other
- Native Nations, listening to the music, watching our beautiful
- people, maybe eating fry bread, I would be horrified to
- think that all we have in common is our oppression.
-
- Furthermore, not all native people have been "colonized"; many
- are still living more or less apart and in peace with those around
- them. Just because you are a native person doesn't mean you are
- by definition at war with an oppressor of some kind. Some Native
- people like Ben Nighthorse Campbell and Elija Harper have even joined
- the "oppressor" governments. Are they then no longer representative
- of native life?
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- What I object to even more in this addition, however, is the
- statement that Indian Nations form a part or are "under" a
- State structure. With that little phrase, you have effectively
- undermined the sovereign status of Indian Nations in America.
- Many Native Nations consider themselves sovereign, by law and
- by nature, to countries like Canada and the United States. Our
- relationship to these governments involves treaty obligations,
- going both ways, made between equal and independent people,
- just as the US makes arms treaties with Russia or trade treaties
- with Mexico. I feel pretty strongly about this one.
-
- Why not leave it sort of vague as it was before? It seems to
- me that it left open the possibility of discussion among all
- KINDS of native people, urban and reservation, dislocated and
- intact. The first order of discussion in the new newsgroup
- (assuming it passes) might be a discussion of Native or Indian
- identity, which is essentially what we are dealing with here.
- I'm not at all sure it's something that can be resolved in
- a charter (or anywhere else, finally).
-
- Mike
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