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- From: mswihart@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael R Swihart)
- Subject: idolatry in N.T.?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan28.031242.8935@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:12:42 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan27.051753.23966@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
- >
- >Nothing simpler. As to the first request (find an idolatrous NT
- >verse), I offer this as just one example: "There are three that are
- >honored in heaven, and these are the father, the son, and the holy
- >ghost; and these three are one. [chas v'shalom]" (I don't remember the
- >exact verse, but I'm sure one of you does.)
-
- I had never heard of that verse, so I looked for it. (I have an
- NAS Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.) The verse is not in the N.T.
- Perhaps it is from agrapha or pseudepigrapha?
-
- >
- >As to Jewish backing for this: The Rambam elucidates what constitutes
- >idolatry. This is laid out in the Mishneh Torah; if you want chapter
- >and verse, I can look it up. One kind of idolatry is to believe that
- >God had taken on a human form. The Rambam allows that this might not
- >be an idolatrous belief when held by a goy; but it is certainly
- >idolatrous when held by a Jew. All of you keep insisting that the NT
- >(except for Luke and Acts) was written by Jews; therefore, it was
- >written by idolators, and is an idolatrous work.
- >
- >Q.E.D.
- >--
- >Andrew Solovay
- >
-
- I take it that this prohibition applies to G-d taking on a normal
- human form and not to the "appearance of the likeness of the glory of the
- L-RD" in Ezek. chapter 1. (v. 26 describes seeing "a figure like that of a
- man (adam)") That is understandable considering the fanatastic descriptions in
- the vision.
-
- A more confusing situation is in Gen. 32: 24-32. It says that Jacob
- wrestled with a man (ish) in v. 24. But, v. 28 and v. 30 make it
- sound like Jacob was with G-d. (28 says that Jacob strove with G-d.
- 30 has Jacob saying he had seen G-d face to face and Jacob named the
- place Peniel meaning face of G-d) Maybe it's just the
- translation (My Hebrew is too pitiful to really help me with this chapter.),
- but it sure comes across like G-d taking the form of a man.
-
- Confused and (sigh) still ignorant
- M.Swihart
- (mswihart@gn.ecn.purdue.edu)
-
- P.S. I would like to know more about the Mishneh reference and what it
- has to say.
-