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- From: carroll@gloin.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
- Subject: Re: Disproof of "Proof 2" (was *** MoJ: Proof 2: The Passover Prophecy ***)
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- References: <1jvcalINNouf@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> <1993Jan25.160835.35787@ucl.ac.uk>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:26:49 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan25.160835.35787@ucl.ac.uk> ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar) writes:
- >In article <1jvcalINNouf@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
- >>
- >>In article <1993Jan19.115444.28751@ucl.ac.uk> ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay
- >>Bhuchar) writes:
- >>>In the prophecy of the 70 weeks I said that the 360 day was only
- >>>suggested this century and under this method Mashiach Nagid has
- >>>to be revealed on Nisan 10, which is exactly what the New
- >>>Testament says about Jesus.
- >>
- >>This has repeatedly been disproven on alt.messianic. You cannot use
- >>invalid "facts" for part of a "proof". Please refer to all of the
- >>previous posts on this topic for further information (including
- >>"Disproof of 'Proof 1'").
- >>:
- >OH WHAT???? OH WHAT????
- >I have all the files on the so called disproof of Proof 1 and as
- >far as I can tell all you have come up with is casting aspersions
- >on the use of the 360 day year and other pedantry like such.
- >
-
- The 360-day year is the cornerstone of your proof. If it is invalid,
- then your entire proof fails. Why go to the effort of criticizing the
- details when the basis on which those details rest is pure, utter
- nonsense?
-
- >A disproof of this great prophecy would involve citing the subjects
- >and dates of this prophecy - you have not done this because all the
- >Jewish commentaries go with the versions involving Cyrus which I
- >pre-empted so you dont know which way to turn.
-
- You seem to misunderstand the meaning of the work "proof". A proof is
- a logical chain from clearly acceptable premises to a conclusion that
- logically follows from those premises.
-
- A disproof of a supposed proof consists of either:
- (a) demonstrating that one of the premises is untrue; or
- (b) demonstrasting that the conclusion does not logically follow
- from the premises.
-
- Your proof fails before we even get to part (b); and there is no point
- analyzing the logical chain that leads to the conclusion if the
- premises are flawed.
-
- Now, we claim that your 360 day premise is untrue. Other posters (Gedaliah?)
- have posted refutations claiming that the 360 day year is invalid. If you
- want to claim that you do indeed have a proof, what you must do is
- prove the validity of the questioned premise. Give us a proof of the
- 360 day year that we cannot disprove. Then, we'll look at the logical
- chain of your proof, and see if it holds up.
-
- >Please post up a proper refutation of proof 1 which involves
- >typing out the fulfilment not haphazard aspersions.
-
- A proper refutation was posted.
-
- I have a question for you: just how stupid do you think we are? I
- don't think that any educated person could be taken in by these
- "proofs". I've known some brilliant Christian people who I have an
- incredible amount of respect for, who believe deeply and profoundly in
- Christianity. But not one of them would ever be taken in by these
- supposed proofs, even though they already believe in what you're
- trying to "prove". I've known Jews who have, unfortuantely, converted
- to christianity - but none of them were fooled by this kind of stuff.
- Do you really think that you can convince anyone of anything with such
- shabby reasoning? The people who you're supposedly trying to reach are
- smarter than that - and the fact that you think we'll be convinced by
- this is, quite honestly, insulting.
-
- <MC>
-
-
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