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- From: harwood@umiacs.umd.edu (David Harwood)
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- Subject: Re: were it not for the VEIL . . .
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- Date: 22 Jan 93 18:52:06 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan21.224240.16216@cs.tulane.edu> goff@pops.navo.navy.mil writes:
- >In article <1je7rlINNr8@pollux.usc.edu>, kjh@pollux.usc.edu (Kenneth J. Hendrickson) writes:
- |>>
- |>> Rabbinic Jews are incapable of seeing and/or understanding the truth.
- |>> *Incapable*! 3:16 says that when they turn to G-d, the veil will be
- |>> removed, but it is also clear that their eyes *are* veiled, making it
- |>> impossible for them to see the True G-d to turn to. (See also
- |>> 1 Cor 2:14; Eph 2:1,5; John 6:44,65; Acts 5:31,11:18) It is necessary
- |>> for God to remove this veil from the eyes of the Rabbinic Jews, to
- |>> *grant* them repentance, and *cause* them to come to Yeshua before they
- |>> can see the Truth. It is exactly the same for the gentiles. Salvation
- |>> is truly 100% from the L-RD.
- |>>
- >
- >This put what I have experienced into total perspective. Thanks Ken, very
- >eloquent and I believe you are exactly right. My personal experience is
- >my convincing proof. The bible had been a confusing and frustrating book
- >to me before I was saved. I just could not understand it and it would
- >amaze me how someone much less educated than I could understand it.
- >
- >It was not until the day I read the third chapter of John did the veil
- >fall from my eyes and I began to see what certainly had been hidden
- >for so many years. The moment that veil falls, you have to make a
- >decision, and to reject Christ is to refuse God! I'll never forget
- >that day that in a split second, I couldn't understand and then I
- >could. I will never forget the reading I did, day and night for about
- >a week, the joy to understand and the faith to believe. Wow, it has
- >been fourteen years and I still remember like it was yesterday.
- \\\\\\
-
- This accords with my experience of sudden, unexpected conversion from
- skeptical atheism - in an instant I was judged by God who points to
- Christ whom I had rejected, by my own thoughts. So very much as Paul says,
- there is revelation in that instant of the the graciousness of God, His
- mercifulness as well as His judgemnt, and His power to transform Creation
- and our hearts. We must decide in that instant that we want God's Messiah,
- whom we did not know of but rejected nevertheless.
-
- Paul says in a famous verse, supposed to be about 'the rapture' of
- faithful to be with Christ - at his 'second coming' in the heavens,
- the Day of the Lord, part of Handel's Messiah: "Behold - I tell you
- a mystery - we shall not all die, but we shall all be changed -
- in an instant (Greek atomos) - in the twinkling of an eye - at the
- sound of the last trumpet." And so can God transform us in "the
- twinkling of an eye" in this life, to be raised up to spiritually be
- joined in company with Christ.
-
- There is a famous verse of Isaiah reiterated by Jesus to answer
- why others have no faith in him: Thus saith the Lord - "they (shall)
- have eyes but not see, and ears but not understand ..." (until only
- a remnant remains). Many do not know that this theme is repeated by
- Isaiah in two places: the apostle Paul refers to the other context
- of Isaiah, implicitly, in I Corinthians 14 (where he explaining why
- so many people should not "speak in tongues" (this means hymns in the
- only two extra-Biblical references by the way, one found at Qumran -
- a kind of liturgical practice) at assemblies. He says that this may
- scandalize outsiders who are attending, but who cannot hope to understand
- their "speaking in tongues" which will be incomprehensible to them.
- He is again avoiding scandal to faith (what some accuse him of being
- "all things to all men" - distorting Paul's direct message of the
- Gospel.) Anyway, Paul "proves" this - that those outside of Christ -
- cannot (shall not) understand by appealing to the divine decree in
- Isaiah's second context: Thus saith the Lord: (the people shall mock
- the words of the prophet as babble which they cannot (shall not)
- understand - until the end and they repent.)
-
- D.H.
-