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From: [e-mail] (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Re: Length of years (was Re: ***MoJ: Proof 1: The Amazing Prophecy***)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Vijay Bhuchar) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bruce Krulwich) writes:
]]
>][e-mail] (Vijay Bhuchar) writes:
]]
]]] The Amazing Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks is now the standard proof of
]]] Jesus' Messiahship (Daniel 9:24-27).  I say "standard" because there is no
]]] SENSIBLE refutation to be found anywhere.
]]...
]]] Daniel writes that from the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until
]]] "Mashiach Nagid" (Messiah the Prince or an anointed prince) will be seven
]]] AND sixty two "weeks" or "sevens" (of years) (*1).
]]...
]]] Throughout these last two milleniums Christians have always believed that
]]] this prophecy referred to Jesus but what was missing was an EXACT fulfilment
]]] since Daniel writes that from event A to event B will be the full 69 x 7
]]] years. He does not say "approximately".  It was only this century that the
]]] 360 day year was suggested (*2).
]]]
]]] Under this method this takes us EXACTLY to Nisan 10 in 32 (or 31)
]]] CE. (69 x 7 x 360 = 173,880; 173,880 / 365.242 = 476 solar years
]]] and 25 days; there is no year zero).
]]
]]Sorry, but a 360 day year is contrary to Jewish law.  the Torah says clearly
]]that the three harvest holidays MUST be in their seasons, and specifically
]]that Passover must be in a particular time period in the spring.  This is why
]]the Jewish year has ALWAYS had leap months added to lengthen certain years to
]]keep in line with the seasons.
]]
]]If there was ever a strict 360 day calendar used for more than a few years,
]]Passover would be in the winter, then the fall, etc.  Over the course of 483
]]years, Passover would cycle through the seasons 5 times!  Definitely contrary
]]to the Torah, and _never_ the practice in Judaism.
]]
]]But it was a nice try!
]]
]]
]]Dov (Bruce) Krulwich
]][e-mail]
]]
]]
]In the time of the exile, the Jews added an extra month too, whenever
]necessary.  The idea is that whilst God is using Jewish years for festivals
]He is using 360 day years for his prophetic fulfilments .
]It's up to Him and I wont argue with Him
]
]Still waiting for sensible refutations.

It _IS_ a sensible refutation.

There is _no_ evidence of _any_ use of a 360 day calendar. There is
very strong evidence that the ONLY calendar used by the Jews, and the
ONLY measure of a year used by the Jews is _not_ the 360 day calendar
that you are talking about.

If you want to claim that God uses 360 day years for prophesy, you've
got to provide some credible evidence that's what was used. (And it
can't be circular "evidence" of the form that says "this prophesy
supports the 360 day year" and "this prophesy is true because it's
supported by the 360 day year".) Provide _any_ Jewish source from
the time that supports your claim that one calendar is used for
festivals, and a different one for prophesy.

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