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- From: Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva)
- Newsgroups: alt.magick
- Subject: Re: Alchemy
- Message-ID: <74198@cup.portal.com>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:34:33 PST
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- 93!01.22 e.v.
-
- Because I love a good debate, and because I can, I'm gonna do you one
- further... :>
-
-
- Peggy Brown writes:
-
- It seems Tagi, that you've already decided its IMPOSSIBLE. With
- that preconceived idea you'll never get anywhere with alchemy.
-
- ...
-
- Ah, so you admit it. You have made a judgement. Well, I
- disagree. I think skepticism is sufficient protection and that
- starting an investigation with a judgement already made will
- limit what you will find.
-
-
- Response:
-
- At some point it becomes reasonable to make a judgement. The
- question is, when? I'll provide you with an example of reasoning
- I follow:
-
-
-
-
- I asked Lorenzo this:
-
- ...What does what
- you posted say (one way or the other) about the possibility of the
- physical transmutation for any metal into gold?
-
-
- Here is what Lorenzo said:
-
- I was trying to keep the thinking clear about what could be going on
- in terms of the physics we know. What makes gold appear to be gold is
- its electronic properties. However, those properties are determined by
- the number of protons in the nucleus. What that means is that unless
- you find a way to change the number of protons in lead by three, or in
- mercury by one, you are not going to get gold from them.
-
- Gold is a pretty stable element. In terms of the physics we know
- today, there is no *chemical* way to transform any element into any
- other element. You could do it with an accelerator or neutron source,
- or cosmic rays, but even then only in minute quantities.
-
- To cut to the punch line, there is no physical process known to modern
- physics or chemistry that can transmute elements, except in minute
- quantities. And certainly none available to the ancient alchemist.
-
- your friendly neighborhood nuclear physicist,
- Lorenzo
-
-
- Response:
-
- This was my assumption also - that our present understanding,
- based on quite a LOT of experiment with purely physical processes
- (i.e. no psychic/psychological/spiritual/whatever influence of which
- we are aware) is that such a physical transmutation is not possible
- with present or past physical technology.
-
- Please at least provide a theory which substantiates it, and
- if possible provide some evidence that these claims might be in
- any way literally true. Thank you.
-
-
- [PS, thanks to Lorenzo for letting me post this from email.]
-
-
- Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva
- Thyagi@HouseOfkaOs.Abyss.com
-