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- From: evans-ron@cs.yale.edu (Ron Hale-Evans)
- Newsgroups: alt.magick
- Subject: Re: The method of Science, the aim of Religion
- Date: 21 Jan 1993 13:08:46 -0500
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- In article <1jmhq3INNk3b@west.West.Sun.COM> markk@lefty.West.Sun.COM writes:
- >Musing on the perverseness of the (anthropromorphised) mechanisms of magick
- >is making excuses for experiments that might fail before they are conducted.
- ^^
- >This is evidence of a non-open mind, and not the mind of a scientist (or any
- ^^
- >seeker of truth).
-
- Oh, dear. "Is" again. Doesn't anyone here know about E-Prime? Talk about
- non-open minds...
-
- >If someone claims a power, they should be able to demonstrate results that
- >are statistically beyond the results that most people get. If they cannot
- >demonstrate those results then their claim rings empty. This is simple
- >skepticism.
-
- Precisely. But as I said in my reply to Josh, what counts as
- demonstration? Does demonstration have to consist of "scientific" (i.e.
- experimental) proof? Your emphasis on experimentation and "having
- the mind of a scientist" seems to imply that you think it does,
- but the following seems to imply that you think it does not:
-
- >I don't know very many magickers who make such "flamboyant" claims. Most
- >of them only claim to be able to invoke powers of revelation, guidance and
- >influence - and they seem to deliver well on their claims.
-
- I presume (perhaps presumptiously) that you have accepted anecdotal
- evidence for your acquaintances' ability to do magick. At least,
- you haven't claimed that you have tested them experimentally.
- I'm not pointing a finger and crying "unscientific! heresy!";
- I just don't understand your position.
-
- --
- I don't want to die! Existence is one of my strong points!
- Ronald Hale-Evans... evans-ron@cs.yale.edu, evans@brandeis.bitnet
- tinfoil@world.std.com, GEnie: R.HALE-EVANS
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