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- From: jbl3g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Basinger Linkins)
- Subject: Re: Intellectuals & women
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.025349.9884@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- Organization: University of Virginia
- References: <1993Jan24.061211.1@udphvx.cineca.it> <1993Jan24.220749.4526@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1993Jan24.174421.1@udphvx.cineca.it>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:53:49 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan24.174421.1@udphvx.cineca.it> dallagata@udphvx.cineca.it writes:
- >In article <1993Jan24.220749.4526@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jbl3g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Basinger Linkins) writes:
- >> In article <1993Jan24.061211.1@udphvx.cineca.it> dallagata@udphvx.cineca.it writes:
- >>
- >> Sure. I understand, and that is perfectly reasonable. But life is full
- >> of regrets, full of "I could have done this..." But it is for the individ-
- >> ual to try to find his or her own fulfillment. If they can't...that's life.
- >> It is better that they find it on their own then to have fools like you
- >> decide for them.
- >
- >[Jason, flame off, please]
-
- Sorry, pig, but lest you forget, this is alt.flame.
-
- >
- >I-do-not-want-to-decide-for-anybody-but-me. Can you
- >understand this?
- You have yet to demonstrate this.
-
- >My point is to let a woman to work and to care
- >abouyt family if SHE WANTS TO DO THAT.
- >
- >I can give you an example of what I think:
- This should be good.
- >
- >Italy, 1992. I was in a corporation, I was supposed to become
- >a manager. i
- Did you blow enough of your superiors to get the job? Come on, tell
- me all the juicy details.
-
- [sad sad story of Michele's one female friend deleted.]
- >
- >Those things scares the women. Those things can induce the
- >woman to think that to have a child is a bad business.
- >To induce a woman to think in this way, is a moral crime
- >(on my morality, sure).
- It is no less a moral crime to induce a woman to have a baby. Once
- again (let's see if it makes a dent in your thick skull) THE WOMAN
- MUST DECIDE FOR HERSELF WHAT SHE THINKS! SHe doesn't need you
- to tell her what to think, no matter how much real-life experience
- you allegedly have.
-
- >
- >Maybe now you understand better my point. I don't want to
- >enforce women to think that they are baby-machines, I would
- >like to stop the society to induce women to think that
- >having a child, they can lose everything else.
-
- I have never argued about that! I would like to see society adopt
- some measures that make it possible for women to work at an enjoyable
- occupation and also have the chance to raise some children. I think
- that woudl be just peachy. UNTIL THEN, I feel that if a woman really
- enjoys her job, if it makes her feel good, if it adds to who she is,
- and she doesn't want to have children, then it is okay! It is her
- decision, anyway.
-
- >
- >To do it, society needs to have a different vision of woman
- >that work, a larger one.
- I agree, but you need to learn more about women. What you don't
- know about women could fill a row of books.
-
- >> I am still
- >> waiting for all those supporters of yours to make themselves known to me.
- >
- >They do what they want to do. I can't enforce them to dedice
- >to show up. It is alt.flame.
- Oh. I suppose these are your imaginary supporters then. Your "supporters"
- are bullshit!
-
-
- >
- >> Also, the names of the three-hundred year old women I asked for before
- >> is still something I need to have.
- >
- >That's a point that you conveniently cut before. I said
- >that *you* think that they were not happy, but that, *maybe*
- >they were happy. I just told you that you could not *proove*
- >anything about that. Neither with the history books.
- Ahh, but you said that women were happy hundreds of years ago. I'm
- sorry, but you have to back up your claims. The burden of proof is on YOU.
-
- >
- >Anyway, do you think that the Native American women were not
- >happy? Let me know, just for fun.
-
- Once upon a time, there were some native American women. Some were happy.
- Some were sad. Then, one day, white Italians and Spaniards came to their
- land and fucked them over. None have been really as happy since.
-
-
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