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- From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
- Newsgroups: alt.dreams
- Subject: Re: 1st time lucidity (sort of)
- Message-ID: <1k6f2aINNq7u@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 16:59:54 GMT
- References: <1993Jan27.150953.19006@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>
- Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
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- In article <1993Jan27.150953.19006@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> tobritt@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Randall K. Britton) writes:
-
- > a very vivid remberance of a dream but also a memory of actually affecting the
- > dream's outcome in one instance (which seems strange to me because I never
- > intended to have a lucid dream). I must tell you that I woke up this morning
- Not strange as this sort of semicontrol does often happen without
- being aware of it and without intending it in the first place. That is
- why I separate "awareness" from "control". (I actually use even more
- such parameters to characterize dreams.)
-
- > with quite a rush, because this is the very first time I ever remember
- > directly affecting one of my dreams (I suppose it could have happened before,
- > I just don't remember it). The dream itself isn't very spectacular.
-
- Surely it did happen. If we could remember what we forget, we would be
- astonished about *what* and *how much* we forget...
-
- > My memory of the dream begins with me on an airplane headed for Reno, Nevada
- > for an Aerospace Sciences Conference. We had just taken off and had reached
-
- Hmmm, professional interest coming through :-) (sorry, couldn't resist...)
-
- >...
- > the wing (right side) and grabbed on to the wing tip. As the airplane struck
- > the ground it began to slide along what for all the world appeared to be a
- > runway (which doesn't make a lot of sense). Anyways, I remember standing up
- > on the right wing and riding the wreckage down the runway like a surfboard
- > yelling at the top of my lungs "Yee-Haw". I then jumped off the wreckage and
- > dusted myself off. The pilot (who somehow got out of the plane also) came up
- > to me and said, "Those damn downbursts will get you every time." [For those
-
- Reminds me of the collapsed hotel in "Blues Brothers" :-)
-
- > Well, there was a little more to the dream after that but the rest is pretty
- > unremarkable. I'm not really sure what the dream "means" if anything at all.
- Surely it doesn't "mean" anything (at least not something obvious).
- This looked to me like the usual snippets from your mind, heavily
- scrambled to produce a new "mind working set". (This is not to
- invalidate any thought about your dreams, but an explanation how
- dreams occur.)
-
- > But believe me, being able to consciously decide to walk through the wall of
- > the airplane and do something as ridiculous as ride an airplane wreck down a
- > runway because I *wanted* to was a very powerful experience for me. I do
- > have a question however. Is it common to have lucid dreams even when your
- > not really trying to? I thought you had to make a real concerted effort to
- > do this. Any comments?
-
- It is common, but since people don't care about dreams, they forget
- these occurences and when confronted first with the concept of lucid
- dreaming react with "Impossible!" or "Is this dangerous?"
-
- People who care about their dreams will probably come across lucid and
- controlled dreams sometimes even without deliberate effort. The whole
- training thing is about making it more regular, as well as improving
- your awareness about your dreams in general.
-
- Olaf
-
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