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- From: daq@fc.hp.com (Doug Quarnstrom)
- Subject: Re: Killefiles ** SPOILER ALERT **
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:58:53 GMT
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- From To:cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk Tue Jan 26 12:58:19 1993
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 12:58:19 MST
- To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
- Subject: Re: Killfiles
- In-Reply-To: <memo.896614@cix.compulink.co.uk>; from "Clive Grace" at Jan 26, 93 6:11 pm
- Status: RO
-
- >
- > Killfiles are seen by some to be an act of violence against another
- > net.person. My use is as a self protection mechanism:
-
- Actually, I do not mind at all if I am placed in a kill file.
- I do not see kill files as wrong, but when someone PUBLICLY
- states that they have placed me in a kill file, I consider this
- to be rhetorical violence, and my reacion is to wish that I
- could cut this person off from all of my posts in the future.
- I have respect for my own posts, and I think they contain
- humor and valuable observations on various topics, and I
- am not keen to give these posts for free to people who
- publicly murder me.
-
- Now, your case is a bit different as you seem to have had a reason,
- so please allow me to respond to some pertinent points so
- as to clarify my attitude.
-
- >
- > Let me explain:
- >
- > judgements about others. *HOWEVER* a trick I learned in
- > alt.sexual.abuse.recovery was to killfile people who consistantly
- > caused me pain -- sometimes because their stories (and subsequent
- > core dumps) were too close to my experiences (and they *HURT*), I
- > know that it'll never stop hurting me, but as I go down the path of
- > healing I develop newer and better ways of dealing with it.
-
- Very well, I understand this, and it is a perfectly reasonable way
- of dealing with the problem. In the future, you may consider
- just doing it rather than making a public statement about it.
- The public statement carries with it a chastisement regardless of
- whether you wish it to or not. Your reason for killing me is
- more than adequate, but publicly stating it indicates an intent
- to influence my posting throug passive-agressive means. If you
- have a problem with my style, write to me in e-mail and tell
- me about it. I am an eminently reasonable guy.
-
- >
- > Doug -- that kind of cynicism is almost exactly like the behaviour
- > one of my abusers used to build a power-base over me, he used it for
- > his own ends and you can all see the results in previous postings.
-
- Very well, this gives you good reason to avoid my posting, but I
- want to state publicly that I am not your abuser, nor am I an
- abuser in general, and I suspect that any 'smiliarity' in our
- cynicism is entirely superficial.
-
- But your reaction to the style IS important, and if my style
- causes you pain, by all means IGNORE me.
-
- > It
- > was too close to a memory, you were saying "you respond as you see
- > fit"?, similarly I reserve the right to deal with my own memories in
- > my own way and my own time.
-
- By all means. My statement about the rhetorical nature of public
- announcement of kill file utilization still stands in the general
- case. But I do understand why you may need to ignore me.
-
- > At all times I am aware that it is *you*
- > Doug saying these things and when I am stronger I can pull your
- > messages out of the killfile archive and place them back in the
- > thread where they rightfully belong -- but until then I am too weak
- > to really face up to those memories your mannerisms inadvertantly
- > throw up -- it would be the same for any other patron here. I have to
- > deal with memories in a way that will not cause me to have another
- > breakdown.
-
- Do not worry about granting me any integrity. There is no need
- to subject yourself to interaction that is painful to you.
-
- >
- [deletia]
-
- >
- > I'm not looking and don't accept an apology from Doug because *he
- > doesn't have to give me one*. It's not his problem, it's mine -- and
- > I am dealing with it in the best way that I know how. Killfiles are
- > an unfortunate name for my Offline Reader because I have an option
- > set where "killed" messages are spooled off into their own files --
- > along with the home accounts software, dougs "killed" messages are
- > also backed up so that I can read them when I'm stronger.
-
- It is not your use of the kill file that bugged me. It was
- your public announcement of it. You could have merely requested there
- be no flame war. You could have contacted me through e-mail.
- There was no specific NEED to announce the killing of my posts.
- My response was not angry, it was just another ironic observation
- based on the assumption that you were merely irritated. I, of course,
- had no real idea of the deeper emotion involved on your part.
-
- But I do agree with you, it is your problem to deal with, not mine.
- I make it a point to be fairly polite in this group, and I endeavor
- to be sensitive to the deeper problems of which I am aware, but
- I have been quite public in my assertion that usenet is not the
- best of places for people with deep emotional problems, so while
- I can sympathise and empathise to some extent, the ultimate
- responsibility for managing your problem is yours, and there is
- not much I can do given that I am not willing to subject my
- art to the censorship of the anticipated sensitivity of
- of every usenet reader. It would not be possible to do this
- even if I wished to.
-
- >
- > Tanais, sits down and plays with his tail. Nervous and anxious that
- > he's got everything across the way it should be. He doesn't want to
- > be kicked out of the Place for using a killfile. He just wants to
- > "belong".
-
- I think everyone understands you, and you are not going to get kicked
- out. If you wish to ignore me, that is more than fine with me,
- I just do not appreciate being subject to the indirect criticism
- of a public announcement of kill file status. I prefer a more direct
- confrontation.
-
- People, kill files and other tools are there for you to use. There
- is no reason for you to waste your time reading anything this is
- not interesting to you or things that are overly painful to you.
- But the use of these tools does NOT require public announcement.
- I think that if you make a public announcement of the intent to
- censor someone, that person has every right to respond in whatever
- way they see fit. I consider this sort of public announcement to
- be a sort of rhetorical attack, and my response made that clear.
-
- Still, there is no need for Tanais to assume I am angry. I am not.
- Also I fully endorse his need and right to ignore me. In fact,
- it may be good advice in general.
-
- doug
-
-