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- From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: Strong atheism ought to explain theism (Was: Re: Atheism is dogmatic.
- Message-ID: <11212@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 00:40:58 GMT
- References: <1993Jan22.091314.23002@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> <11194@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> <77482@apple.apple.COM>
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- In article <77482@apple.apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:
- >In article <11194@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:
- >> I personally know of no one who makes the claim that their
- >> experience of god is on the same sensual level as their day to day
- >> perception of the world around them (well, maybe one, Jarek
- >> Dabrowski, but that's another topic). Most claims of believer-god
- >> interaction are extraordinarily vague or mystical, with phrases
- >> like "felt lead to", "had a vision", "had a feeling", etc.
- >
- >I have memories of experiences of beings that I think deserve to be
- >called gods. Of course, maybe I don't count as I am (apparently) an
- >atheist. I suppose it's because I can tell the difference between
- >experiences that (for example) people on the net are going to consider
- >real and ones they aren't, and because I am skeptical by temperament.
-
- You just shot yourself in the foot. There was apparently some
- discernable factor of the experiences you are recalling that makes
- them of the variety you know we find unconvincing. Hence, these
- experiences were not the same as you daily experiences, and don't
- qualify as the kind to which I was referring.
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- Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM
-
- "Look, I tried the cat experiment. On the third trial, the cat was
- dead. On each of the subsequent 413 trials, it remained dead. Am I
- doing something wrong?"
- James Nicoll
-
- Q. How many Heisenbergs does it take to screw in a light bulb?
- A. If you know the number, you don't know where the light bulb is!
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