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- From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: Atheism is dogmatic.
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- Date: 20 Jan 93 22:59:25 GMT
- References: <rabjab.27.727501059@golem.ucsd.edu>
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- In article <rabjab.27.727501059@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (rabjab) writes:
- >Atheism seems to be guilty of what is proposes to conteract.
- >
- >Because atheism represents a belief in the non-existence of God,
- >it takes a dogmatic position relative to what could exist.
- >
- >-rabjab
-
- READ THE FAQQING FAQ AND FIND OUT WHAT AN ATHEIST IS BEFORE YOU SEND
- TRIPE LIKE THIS.
-
- 1) Atheism is the ABSENCE of belief in ANY god. That includes "God", Zeus,
- Thor, Krishna etc.. Not just "God".
-
- 2) "Believe" means to accept without any reason. For example :
- What is that tree on the horizon?
- I believe it is an oak.
- - I have not seen it up close, but I have been told it is an oak
- and in the absence of any contradictory evidence assume that
- it is an oak.
- It is an oak.
- - I know it is an oak, because I know what an oak tree is, I have
- seen the tree, and yes, it is an oak.
-
- 3) Some atheists (not very many) say that XYZ (substitute your favourite
- deity) does not exist. Most of us just don't care what you believe, so
- long as you don't force it on everybody else.
-
- 4) If you make the POSITIVE ASSERTION that your favourite deity exists
- then it is up to you to justify it. That includes defining it. If your
- definition includes attributes that are self-contradicting then it is
- obvious that that particular deity, with that particular definition
- (note the qualification) cannot exist. This is knowledge, not belief.
-
- 5) Most atheists are atheists because they have not seen any evidence for
- any particular deity. To put it another way, they have no reason to
- believe in something that has not been defined in any other than the
- vaguest terms, and which has no detectable influence on any observed
- phenomena, and whose only evidence is heresay.
-
- 6) Most religions make the same claim to have the only revealed truth,
- and can only back it up with circular argument that only convinces
- believers. There have been Christians, Hare Krishnas and Moslems
- on here recently, all with equally convincing arguments as to why
- we should all embrace their particular belief. Why should we believe
- yours rather than any of the others?
-
- Now tell me why this is a dogmatic belief in what could or could not
- exist.
-
- Why do you believe that invisible pink unicorns don't exist?
-
- Chris Lee
-