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- From: dyer@waikato.ac.nz
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- Subject: Re: What? (was Re: Why? (was Re: THE MIND OF THE BIBLE BELIEVER))
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.204956.13364@waikato.ac.nz>
- Date: 21 Jan 93 20:49:56 +1300
- References: <1993Jan16.062624.8859@bmerh85.bnr.ca> <llgpudINNs3f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jan16.224449.17941@bmerh85.bnr.ca> <1jagioINNb35@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>
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- In article <1jagioINNb35@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>, starr-daniel@yale.edu (Daniel Starr) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan16.224449.17941@bmerh85.bnr.ca> dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:
- >>In article <llgpudINNs3f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes:
- >>>When studying such religions and philosophys, it is important to
- >>>remember that much of what is being said is expressed in term of
- >>>metaphore. This is because of our limited ability to comprehend the
- >>>true nature of such trancendant reality. Now I realize that this is
- >>>being crossposted to alt.athiesm, (because I'm not sure which
- >>>group you are on), but even from an athiestic perspective the fact
- >>>of the need for metaphore to express trancendant realities is
- >>>evident: for example, mathematics is used as metaphore to describe
- >>>the trancendant realities of quantum mechanics.
- >>
- >>I'll leave this to one of the physicist types. "transcendant
- >>realites of quantum mechanics" sounds bogus to me. Do physicists
- >>really talk like that?
- >>
- > Since you ask... no, they don't. At least not at Yale or UCSD. It's
- > quite bogus... quantum mechanics is not 'transcendent' at all. It's true
- > (and occasionally very frustrating) that it's impossible to measure things
- > beyond a certain level of precision without significantly affecting the
- > system you're measuring, and as a result a lot of statements have to become
- > probabilistic rather than absolute, but there's nothing 'transcendent' about it.
- >
- > And, no, mathematics is not a 'metaphore'[sic]; it's a tool, in quantum
- > mechanics as in any other branch of physics or natural science, for
- > manipulating quantitative descriptions. Mr. Marsh, what on earth are you
- > trying to convince people of about quantum mechanics?
- >
- > --
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- > |Daniel Starr | "Wait! Wait! Maybe THIS will work!" |
- > |dstarr@minerva.cis.yale.edu | |
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- Try diagraming some of these sentences. You'll never publish with writing
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