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- From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
- Subject: YOUNG EARTHERS _AND_ BIBLE CRITICS WATCH OUT! (huh?)
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- Thought y'all might like to look at this thing that showed up
- in talk.religion.misc. Seems right up your alley.
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- From muehlhau@en.ecn.purdue.edu Wed Dec 30 12:37:16 1992
- Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
- From: muehlhau@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John Muehlhausen)
- Subject: YOUNG EARTHERS _AND_ BIBLE CRITICS WATCH OUT! (huh?)
- Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
- Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 12:45:38 GMT
-
- _GENESIS CREATION ACCOUNT_ from Hugh Ross' "The Fingerprint of God"
-
- I hope this isn't too illegal... My comments are in [].
- If you read this and like it please buy the book!
-
- ==============================================================
- Summary
- -------
- The "higher critics" of the last two centuries have badly
- misinterpreted the first two chapters of Genesis, and by their error
- led many astray. Establishing the correct point of view and initial
- conditions for the Genesis creation chronologies yields a sequence of
- events in perfect harmony with modern science. This accuracy is too
- amazing for Moses to have guessed. He must have received divine
- help.
-
- [hang in there - this guy is suprisingly objective...]
-
- Among nineteenth century leaders of seminaries and churches, reaction
- to Kant's cosmology and its scientific support took two distinct
- directions. One camp, led by German theologians, made concessions
- and adjustments in their view of the scriptures. The other camp,
- championed by British and American fundamentalists, stood utterly
- opposed, denigrating science and reason and upholding the scriptures.
-
- Higher Criticism Theology
- -------------------------
- A cloud over biblical veracity had arisen even before the publication
- of Kant's works. The first scholars to publish serious claims for
- multiple authorship and internal inconsistencies in the Genesis
- account of creation were Richard Simon, an Oratorian priest, writing
- in 1678, and Campegius Vitringa, a Dutch Reformed theologian, writing
- in 1707. Their works, though, were largely ignored by their
- contemporaries and forgotten by later generations.
-
- In 1753 a French physician, Jean Astruc, perhaps out of a desire to
- justify his immorality, published a treatise undermining the
- credibility of Genesis. He concluded that in writing Genesis, Moses
- (or someone later) had interwoven material from several independent
- sources. In particular, he said that Genesis 1 and 2 contained two
- contradictory creation narratives of different authorship.
-
- Not long after Astruc's ideas began circulating, Johann Eichhorn, the
- most famous theologian of his day, published the same conclusions as
- Astruc. He further pointed out that the discoveries of geologists
- not only contradicted both Genesis chronologies but also the creation
- date proposed by Ussher [does ICR _still_ hold to this?]. soon
- Eichhorn and his German colleagues were theorizing that much of the
- old Testament was a compilation of late, unreliable documents dating
- >from 800 to 500 B.C. They saw the biblical accounts of creation as
- edited versions of borrowed myths.
-
- The methodology of Astruc, Eichhorn, and the emerging "higher
- critics" was notably "simplistic." They presumed that the order of
- mention for the creation events represented the intended chronology
- of the text. Verb tense, indicators of parenthetical comment, and
- other syntactic features were ignored. The order of Genesis creation
- events they deduced follows:
-
- Genesis 1 Genesis 2
- 1. heavens and earth created 1. heavens and earth created
- 2. light created 2. plant life created
- 3. light divided from darkness 3. man (male) created
- 4. heaven ("firmament") created 4. animal life created
- 5. land separated from water 5. woman made from man
- 6. plant life created
- 7. sun, moon, and stars created
- 8. animal life created
- 9. man (male and female) created
-
- As a result of their view of the chronologies, many theologians
- concluded that the Bible was unreliable, not only internally, but
- also with respect to science and history. Therefore, for them, God
- became discoverable only through another channel, through "faith"
- alone. Their brand of faith, then, was totally subjective. It
- comprised moral responses prompted by the conscience and warm
- feelings about the presence of God. Thus, their position,
- theologically and scientifically, was hardly distinguishable from
- Kant's.
-
- Fundamentalist Reaction
- -----------------------
- Many who held the Bible to be totally error free reacted to Kant's
- conclusions and to the new discoveries in astronomy and geology with
- flat rejection. They denied the possibility that any physical
- phenomena had taken more than a few thousand years to occur. All
- forms of evolution, whether astronomical, geological, or biological,
- were rejected outright. All scientific discoveries were subordinated
- to the inviolable dogma of Archbishop Ussher's chronology.
-
- In seeing through the interprative errors of the higher critics'
- chronology for Genesis 2, they removed the internal contradictions.
- but, unwittingly, they failed to question the faulty interpretation
- of Genesis 1. Thus they trapped themselves, unawares, into denying
- not only the scientific timescales, but even the best established
- principles of physics and astronomy. Their view required, for
- example, that the earth, light, and water predate the formation of
- the sun and stars.
-
- Their position, then, necessitated a denial of God's revelation of
- truth via nature and an acceptance of the written word, the bible, as
- the only reliable revelation of truth. Ironically, their definition
- of faith resembled that of their opponents, the higher critics. In
- both cases faith in God lost its actual footing. It was removed from
- the reach of testing by scientific and historical data.
-
- The Scientific Method
- ---------------------
- What Astruc, Eichhorn, and the higher critics failed to do, among
- other things, was to recognize the scientific method in the text.
- Interestingly, the scientific method, to a large extent, originated
- >from renaissance experimenters' perception of certain consistent
- patterns in Scripture. In describing sequences of physical events,
- the Bible always begins with a statement of the point of view, or
- frame of reference. Next, there is an indication of the initial
- conditions. Then comes a chronological account of the physical
- events. Finally, there is the conclusion of the matter. Here, in a
- nutshell, is the scientific method.
-
- Integrating Genesis 1 and 2
- ---------------------------
- Without question, the description of creation in Genesis 1 is
- markedly different from that in Genesis 2. However, an examination
- of the point of view in each passage clarifies why. Genesis 1
- focuses on the physical events of creation; Genesis 2, on the
- spiritual events. More specifically, Genesis 1 describes those
- miracles God performed to prepare the earth for mankind. Genesis 2
- presents God's assignment of authority and responsibility.
-
- Careful attention to verb tenses and to the purpose of each account
- eliminates any supposed contradiction between Genesis 1 and Genesis
- 2. Plants, rain, man, animals, and woman are subjects of discussion
- in Genesis 2, but creation chronology is not the issue. The man
- (Adam) simply interacts first with the plants, then with the animals,
- and last of all, with the woman (Eve). His role with respect to each
- is delineated.
-
- The Hebrew language has only three verb tenses: imperative, perfect,
- and imperfect. The perfect tense denotes completed actions while the
- imperfect tense denotes incomplete or unfinished actions. The use of
- the perfect tense in Genesis 2:19 for the formation of the beasts and
- the birds simply implies that those creatures were made sometime in
- the past. Nothing in the verb tense or the context of Genesis 2
- would necessitate the existence of man before the beasts and the
- birds or, for that matter, the trees of the garden of Eden.
-
- Origin of the Universe
- ----------------------
- The bible opens with this declaration: "In the beginning God created
- the heavens and the earth." The Hebrew words for heavens and earth
- are shamayin and erets. Whenever these two words are joined together
- in Hebrew literature they refer to the entire physical universe. The
- Hebrew word for "created," bara, refers always to divine activity.
- The word emphasizes the newness of the created object. It means to
- bring something entirely new, something previously non-existent, into
- existence. Genesis 1:1 speaks of God's creating - originating - the
- fundamental constituents (all the space, time, matter, energy,
- galaxies, stars, planets, etc.) of the universe.
-
- Specific Point of View
- ----------------------
- Unfortunately, most Bible commentaries still err with Jean Astruc and
- the higher critics in placing the point of view for Genesis 1 out in
- the heavens, looking down on the earth. Yet, the second verse of
- Genesis 1 places the point of view under the could cover, on the
- surface of the waters. It says, "The Spirit of God was hovering over
-
- [rachaph actually connotes "brooding" or "vivifying." Hence, this
- statement may imply biblical support for formation of the first
- life-forms in the oceans.]
-
- the surface of the waters." This one seemingly minute correction
- eliminates any supposed contradiction between the biblical order of
- events and the scientific order. The miracles described in the
- account take place in or under the earths's atmosphere, not in the
- broader scope of outer space.
-
- Initial Conditions
- ------------------
- Genesis 1:2 also states for us three initial conditions of planet
- earth:
- -It was dark upon the surface of the oceans
- -The earth was formless, or disorganized.
- -The earth was void or emtpy.
- Since Genesis 1 focuses on the introduction of life upon the earth,
- formless and void (or disorganized and empty) are best interpreted in
- the context of life. That is, the bible says that in its initial
- state, the earth was unfit to support life and was literally "empty"
- of life. We are told, too, that the earth's atmosphere (and/or
- interplanetary debris) blocked out the light that exists throughout
- the universe. Light could not pass through to the surface.
-
- The physics of star and planet formation verifies that the
- proto-earth indeed must have had an atmosphere (or debris cloud)
- opaque to light. Such studies also confirm that conditions of the
- proto-earth made it entirely unfit for the support of life.
-
- Order of Creation Events
- ------------------------
- With the point of view and initial conditions established, we can
- properly interpret the biblical chronolog of events. What once
- seemed baffling or incorrect now becomes comprehensible and
- demonstrably accurate. It may be helpful to note, too, that six
- different Hebrew verbs are used for God's creative work. The
- following table lists the eleven major milestones in order, giving
- suitable English equivalents for those verns. Bara appears in the
- manuscripts only twice more after Genesis 1:1, once for the creation
- of nephesh, or soulish animals - those creatures endowed with mind,
- will, and emotions (namely, birds and mammals) - and again for the
- creation of adam, or "spirit" beings - those creatures endowed with
- the capacity to respond to God Himself.
-
- 1. creation of the physical universe (space, time, matter, energy,
- galaxies, stars, planets, etc)
-
- 2. transformation of the earth's atmosphere from opaque to
- translucent
-
- 3. formation of a stable water cycle
-
- 4. establishment of continent(s) and ocean(s)
-
- 5. production of plants on the continent(s)
-
- 6. transformation of the atmoshpere from translucent to transparent
- (Sun, Moon, and stars became visible for the first time)
-
- 7. production of small sea animals
-
- 8. creation of sea mammals (nephesh)
-
- 9. creation of birds [possibly same time as 8] (more nephesh)
-
- 10. making of land mammals (wild mammals, mammals that can be
- domesticated, and rodents - still more nephesh)
-
- 11. creation of mankind (adam)
-
- No Coincidence
- --------------
- The record above perfectly accords with the findings of modern
- science. Ironically, some have found fault with it for its
- simplicity and brevity. We must remeber, first, that the recorder of
- the events, Moses, lived some 3500 years ago, and he was writing not
- only for the people of his time and culture but for all people of all
- times and cultures. Use of the simplest possible terms was
- essential. Second, the apparent purpose of the account is to
- document various demonstrations of God's miraculous power in forming
- the earth and life upon it. With obvious necessity, the account is
- selective. Only the highlights, those events most important for
- achieving God's final goals, are included. As a result, dinosaurs,
- for example, receive no particular mention.
-
- The odds that Moses could have guessed the correct order even if he
- were given the events are 1 chance in 40 million. In addition, Moses
- scored three for three in describing the initial conditions. Of
- course, most amazing of all is the accuracy of his depiction of each
- creative event. Clearly, Moses must have been inspired by God to
- write as he did.
- ==============================================================
-
-
- If this doesn't flop I'll post some stuff on long creation days
- (think yowm!) and a good list of data supportive of design and the
- anthropic principle...
-
- Deep thought: the seventh day is not closed out in the Genesis
- account... Hmmm... Funny how the extinction of species and the
- "completion" of biblical creation coincide, and the arrival
- of anything _new_ has fallen off sharply. Maybe in God's rest chaos
- is once again getting its say...
-
- Merry CHRISTmas!!
-
- John M.
-
-
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