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- From: jbaker@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (John Baker)
- Subject: Re: TIME cover story
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.230540.14790@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>
- Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
- References: <1hlcnmINNkrb@agate.berkeley.edu> <1hln3fINNlep@fido.asd.sgi.com>
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:05:40 GMT
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- In article <1hln3fINNlep@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
- >In article <1hlcnmINNkrb@agate.berkeley.edu>, philjohn@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
- >>
- >> When the U.S. National Academy of Sciences faced the threat
- >> of creation-science in 1981, it passed a resolution saying that
- >> "Religion and science are separate and mutually exclusive realms
- >> of human thought whose presentation in the same context leads to
- >> misunderstanding of both scientific theory and religious belief."
- >
- >It seems to me that where the Creation-Science people go wrong is
- >in trying to play both games at once. People like Morris claim
- >that physical evidence supports their beliefs, but they also claim
- >that where Science and Faith conflict, Faith wins.
-
- Science and faith should never conflict. If God is the Creator, and
- faith seeks knowledge about God, then the two should be in harmony.
- If they are not, one needs to re-evaluate BOTH. Either the scientific
- conclusion is based on error, or your theology needs re-thinking.
-
- However, it is rediculous to consider the two separate. To do so is to
- say that either we cannot make conclusions based on scientific
- observation, or that God is unknowable. The latter is what the U.S.
- N.A.S. seems to be saying. I think they have a valid point to make;
- that scientific methods and theological methods are quite different.
- However, the results of the two should be entirely compatible.
-
- >Then the Academy of Sciences resolution is perfectly reasonable,
- >because what it's saying is that if you keep Faith in your back
- >pocket as a kind of magic argument-winner, then appealing to
- >Science does indeed lead to a misunderstanding. If Faith is
- >the ultimate arbiter, then searching for physical evidence that
- >you are prepared to toss out if it does not suit you, is basically
- >a waste of time.
-
- It is interesting that creationists claim this is exactly what the
- evolutionists do with much of their evidence - they present the few
- cases that support evolution and ignore all else. They complain that
- evolutionists seek and promote alleged transitional forms and shaky
- theories as fact, while often neglecting to mention contrary evidence.
-
- When you look at popular "scientific" authors, you find that many are
- making theological conclusions based entirely on their interpretation of
- a little data and a lot of speculation. It seems they are only trying to
- justify their beliefs. To me, this is just as bad as ignoring science
- entirely based on your religious beliefs.
-
- John Baker
- jbaker@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
-
- P.S. Could someone send me the FAQ file? Thanks...
-