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- From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: TIME cover story
- Date: 28 Dec 1992 02:00:15 GMT
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- In article <1hlcnmINNkrb@agate.berkeley.edu>, philjohn@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
- >
- > When the U.S. National Academy of Sciences faced the threat
- > of creation-science in 1981, it passed a resolution saying that
- > "Religion and science are separate and mutually exclusive realms
- > of human thought whose presentation in the same context leads to
- > misunderstanding of both scientific theory and religious belief."
- >
- > My questions are: (1) Was this resolution merely a stick to
- > beat the creationists with, or does it apply to the National
- > Academy's own members? (2) Should we "seek theological guidance
- > from physicists (or biologists)?" We seem to be getting a lot of
- > it lately.
-
- I think what may be missing here is the notion that words like Religion
- don't have fixed meanings. It makes sense to talk about Science
- and Religion being separate if by Religion you are referring to the
- kind of faith-based belief that doesn't ask for physical confirmation.
-
- But if someone decides to consider the possibility that the Universe
- itself is a divinity, then of course Science has "something to say"
- about Religion, because Science has something to say about the
- structure of the Universe. Of course, this is now a new meaning of
- the word 'divinity'.
-
-
- It seems to me that where the Creation-Science people go wrong is
- in trying to play both games at once. People like Morris claim
- that physical evidence supports their beliefs, but they also claim
- that where Science and Faith conflict, Faith wins.
-
- Then the Academy of Sciences resolution is perfectly reasonable,
- because what it's saying is that if you keep Faith in your back
- pocket as a kind of magic argument-winner, then appealing to
- Science does indeed lead to a misunderstanding. If Faith is
- the ultimate arbiter, then searching for physical evidence that
- you are prepared to toss out if it does not suit you, is basically
- a waste of time.
-
- jon.
-