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- From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
- Subject: Re: On God and Science
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- In <22DEC199200095590@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes:
-
- >I took the question of interest to be the origin of life, not necessarily
- >the origin of the universe as a whole. Surely there are probabilities
- >and evidence we can examine regarding life's origin (e.g., as is done
- >in Robert Shapiro's _Origins: A Skeptic's Guide to the Creation of Life
- >on Earth_).
-
- But the anthropic principle,which you challenged, does not refer to
- life's origins within the context of the earth alone. It only attempts
- to answer the question "why is the universe so "constructed", the
- earth so "placed", the water content "just so", etc. for life to arise
- here. The answer is that in places where things are not "just so" we
- would not be around to ask the question (and there may be VERY MANY such
- places in the universe, or in "previous" worlds).
-
- I agree that
- we can get SOME sense of probabilities, though how good that sense
- is, is debatable, because of the enormous difficulty in recreating the
- early conditions on the earth, and for reproducing/understanding long
- periods of time in the laboratory. So it is still not equatable
- to the 15 riflemen that one can see, judge, and measure.
-
- Since evolutionary processes took place on earth, with sometime long
- periods of statis, it is the simplest (not necessarily the most accurate)
- to assume that life also STARTED here. Since any probability calculations
- fail to be convincing, and since pushing the start of life away from
- the earth to somewhere else in the cosmos, only postpones the problem,
- the simplest assumption, (for the time being) is that life started on
- earth.
-
- >Jim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
- >Dept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
- >University of Arizona
- >Tucson, AZ 85721
- --
- Eli Chiprout
- Dept. of Electronics,
- Carleton University, Canada
- emc@doe.carleton.ca
-