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- From: sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
- Subject: Re: Lionel Tun: evolutionary relic.
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.210308.11415@u.washington.edu>
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:03:08 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec21.045654.38203@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jsg1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JONATHAN SCOTT GIBSON) writes:
- > Well, the theory of creation goes like this:
-
- Good. A man who delivers on his promises. Thank you.
-
- > In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
-
- OK. So "heavens" came into being before "earth". This seems
- to agree with evidence from astronomy. Pretty good theory
- so far. But, who is this "God" character; how did God come into
- being before the rest of the universe; and, how did God create
- the heavens and earth? I'm sure that a well-formed theory
- like creationism will answer these questions, eventually.
-
- >And the earth
- > was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep;
- > and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Then
- > God said, "Let ther be light"; and there was light.
-
- Hmmm, this presents a problem. What does a "formless" earth look like?
- Was this the stage of planetary formation in which stellar dust
- was coelescing into earth? If so, pretty good again.
-
- But now ... BOINGK! The theory of creationism says that "waters"
- existed on the surface of the earth before "light". If you mean
- visible light, you are off by about 10 billions years or so.
- If you mean that water existed on the earth before the sun was
- created, you are still off by many hundreds of millions of years.
- If you mean that visible light did not penetrate to the surface of
- the earth until waters existed on the earth, you are still
- way off.
-
- Your theory does not match the best current observations of
- astronomical phenomena. Other theories of cosmology are
- much better at fitting the data, plus they have some sort
- of falsifiability criteria.
-
- Sorry, your theory is not as good as other theories.
- It is hard to say for sure, because your theory has a
- number of vague terms like "created", "heavens", "God", etc.,
- which need to be defined more precisely before discussion
- and evaluation can occur.
- But, since I am only a Talented Amateur (tm), I may
- be all wet. Try submitting your theory to a peer-reviewed
- journal in a relevant scientific field; you may get
- more acceptance.
-
- (remainder of seriously flawed theory, deleted)
-
- (sudden eruption of discussion of religion, which would be
- more appropriately posted to talk.religion.misc or
- soc.religion.christianity: deleted)
-
- (non-sequitur whining about "this day and age": deleted)
-
- (shocking reference to Dan Quayl, which would be more appropriately
- posted to alt.fan.dan-quayle: deleted)
-
- But, thank you for playing.
-
-
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