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- From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
- Subject: Re: Clarifying "Restrictions"
- Message-ID: <1993Jan3.194606.2536@netcom.com>
- Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California
- References: <1993Jan02.035011.4843@watson.ibm.com> <1993Jan2.224341.9574@rotag.mi.org> <1993Jan03.012811.21437@watson.ibm.com>
- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 19:46:06 GMT
- Lines: 53
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- margoli@watson.IBM.com writes ...
- >In <1993Jan2.224341.9574@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >>In article <1993Jan02.035011.4843@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
- >>>In <1993Jan1.001959.29643@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >>>>In article <1992Dec30.200825.22596@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
- >>>>>I think "arguing for legislation while claiming he doesn't want it"
- >>>>>is the most descriptive I've seen yet.
- >>>>
- >>>>I don't argue for abortion restrictions. I argue only against certain
- >>>>absolutist positions. Learn the difference.
- >>>
- >>>What's the difference?
- >>
- >>The difference is that I dislike absolutes, whether they are pro-choice
- >>absolutes, or pro-life absolutes.
- >
- >Just because you dislike them doesn't mean they're wrong...
- >
- >>when a misguided pro-CHOICER starts spouting absolutes
- >
- >Someone whose viewpoint differs from yours is "misguided"?
- >
- >>>It *sounds* the same as someone arguing for them.
- >>
- >>Then don't just "listen", Larry -- try actually READING what I'm saying.
- >
- >I do.
- >
- >>Carefully. If you do, I think you'll find that I argue against absolutes, and
- >>certain kinds of just plain old illogic, but _not_ inherently _against_ any
- >>(more-or-less relativistic) position on pro-choice.
- >
- >In other words, you argue for some restrictions. (No wait, although it seems
- >that way, you say you don't really want any restrictions. How about, you
- >present arguments in favor of abortion restrictions. That captures the
- >essence of it, without the implication that you want those restrictions
- >(although that's a natural conclusion based on seeing your arguments in
- >favor of them that people are going to continue to make.))
-
- I should like to point out that almost nobody seriously proposes that
- there should be no restrictions whatever on the process of getting an
- abortion. And to label someone pro-force merely because their
- restrictions don't happen to agree with yours is pandering to the
- politically-correct gits on the net who can't look beyond the labels.
-
- And, by the way, this is not a complaint directed specifically at you,
- Larry. It is a tactic I've seen used on several occasions by many
- people, and is usually used when one side has run out of intelligent
- arguments.
-
- --
- Ray Fischer "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
- ray@netcom.com than lies." -- Friedrich Nietszsche
-