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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: Susan smears Holtsinger unjustly
- Message-ID: <1993Jan3.011137.10390@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1992Dec30.005219.9201@netcom.com> <1993Jan2.094941.7852@rotag.mi.org> <1993Jan2.165946.10441@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 01:11:37 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan2.165946.10441@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan2.094941.7852@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >
- >[Lots of deletions]
- >
- >>UNRETRACTED LIE
- >>---------------
- >>
- >>"Darcy has been consistently criticized for labelling
- >> himself 'pro-choice' while arguing for restrictions on abortion."
- >> Susie Garvin
- >> Sun, 18 Oct 92 20:37:06 GMT
- >> <1992Oct18.203706.21850@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
- >
- >Kevin, this is not a lie. Whether you see yourself as arguing in favor
- >of restrictions, or against the lack of them is irrelevant. A large
- >number of people here interpret your remarks asbeing in favor of
- >restrictions,
-
- The "large number of people" happen to be full of shit. I have supported no
- abortion restrictions whatsoever. I occasionally argue AGAINST pro-choice
- absolutism. That pisses off the Extremists (which make up the bulk of your
- "large number of people", so it's not the least bit surprising that they
- would try to paint me as a pro-lifer). But arguing that pro-choice is not
- absolute is not the same as arguing that restrictions on choice is "good".
- As I explained to Larry, the arguments in question are essentially negative
- assertions, whereas the claim that I argue "for" restrictions clearly implies
- positive assertion, i.e. that the restriction(s) in question are in some way
- necessary or desirable.
-
- If it's easier for you to understand, try thinking of this in terms of a
- vote. You might vote "no" on a given abortion restriction, and a pro-lifer
- might vote "yes" on the same abortion restriction. If I vote "abstain", then
- in a sense I'm voting against BOTH of you -- I'm indicating that I don't
- consider either of you to be "right" in an absolute sense, and I'm willing
- to abide by the outcome of the concensus, whatever that may be.
-
- >You may not agree with those who criticize you, (we hardly expect you
- >will agree with anybody) but that doesn't make this a lie.
-
- She asserted not only that I have been criticized, but that I have been
- criticized "while arguing for restrictions on abortion". That is the part I
- consider a lie.
-
- - Kevin
-
- "before i comment further, i want to say that you calling yourself
- a pro-choicer ("we as pro-choicers") is the single most damaging
- statement i've seen written on the pro-choice philosophy. you,
- kevin darcy, are, imo, the least pro-choice person i've seen post
- to this newsgroup."
- <1992Apr13.174429.2292@crd.ge.com>
-
- "i haven't seen kebbie argue for legislation."
- <1993Jan2.003223.3588@crd.ge.com>
-