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- From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
- Subject: Re: Proposed definitions for FAQ (Was: Reconciling OT/NT)
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- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 02:31:20 GMT
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- In article <nyikos.725744605@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >In <1992Dec29.033620.8746@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
-
- [Deletia]
-
- PHoney wrote:
- >>>#But seriously, folks, since Susan was never known to give a sucker
- >>>#an even break, why should she spare a clueless newbie who can't even
- >>>#reboot his newsreader all by himself?
- >
- >Here it is again, that clouded issue. Note the lack of smileys:
- >
- >>At least here you *do* admit that you are completely clueless.
- >
- >[Clue for Mark: when a comedian says, "But seriously, folks," one should
- >NOT expect a completely serious message. If he's really serious, he'll
- >say something like: "All kidding aside," or "If we could get serious here
- >for just a minute,"...]
- >
- So now you have delusions of being a comedian? Don't quite your day
- job... (Much as your students might appreciate it if you did.)
-
- >>Your belief is incorrect. SO's are *rarely* allowed into the OR. They
- >>are permitted in *sometimes* for C-Sections, but are restricted to an
- >>area above the mothers head, screened off from the surgical area.
- >>There's a very good reason for this. It's a real pain to have to stop
- >>surgery to treat the cracked and lacerated skulls of the SO's after
- >>they faint.
- >
- >Well, assuming you are telling the truth here, things are different at
- >hospitals in Germany, where my brother saw all the gory details of
- >the C-section on his wife and removal of triplets. I believe this may
- >have been a US Army hospital: I can check with him if you trade me a reference
- >to what you've just said here.
- >
- Yes PHoney. You have one example in which you claim an SO saw "all the
- gory details" and from that you determine what is common practice?
- Do you have fits with these fantasies?
-
- >BTW my brother teaches arts and crafts and never took a course in
- >medicine. His knowledge of things medical is considerably inferior
- >to mine.
- >
- That's certainly saying a lot about your brother, considering the
- abysmal lack of knowledge you have shown in this forum.
-
- >>You've changed this from your original posting PHoney... NOW you've
- >>added the qualifier "if the woman wants it". It would depend on the
- >>type of abortion. For most types, I can see no reason to not allow a
- >>SO in the room, as long as the patient wishes the company.
- >
- >My statement stands, with or without the qualifier. I want to know
- >why abortionists do not allow SO's in, and how much resistance a bill
- >to ALLOW them in, given the consent of the woman, is apt to meet
- >from the ACLU, NOW, NARAL, PP, etc.
- >
- Why do you feel the need to legislate everything Petey? What is it
- with you and this compulsion to control the lives of others?
- Just as it is the patients right to make choices about their own
- treatment, it is the physicians right to make choices about who is
- allowed to observe/participate in that treatment. If oen doctor does
- not wich to aloow an SO in the room during the procedure, the patient
- can either accept that decision, or find another phsycian, or discuss
- the issue to arrive at a compromise.
-
- >I'm not indulging in innuendo. I'd like a reasonable estimate, to
- >see how hard to try to convince pro-life legislators to introduce
- >such a bill. I think pro-choice legislators are a lost cause on this.
- >If you think otherwise, I'd love to hear about it, because I think
- >the bill would stand a MUCH better chance if it were introduced by
- >a pro-choicer.
- >
- I see no need to legislate people's lifes PHoney. Your control
- obssesion is your problem, not mine.
-
- >>What makes you think aboritonists have anything to hide PHoney? Other
- >>then your very apparent paranoia, that is. Is this more of your
- >>"conspiracy of silence" trash?
- >
- >Calling it names won't make it go away. As to the "paranoia" bit,
- >the two Columbia abortionists I know anything about have plenty to hide,
- >as I have documented here in talk.abortion [Ask Keith why I call
- >him Sledovatel Cochran: it was in re a case of an incomplete
- >abortion.] and between them they do about half of the 5000+ abortions
- >here in the Columbia area in those years when Elguindi isn't suspended
- >for some reason or other.
- >
- An Asserting it without support of any kind won't convince anybody
- that any such conspiracy exists PHoney.
-
- --
- Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
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