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- From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
- Subject: Re: Blackmun calls the Roe v. Wade dividing line "arbitrary"
- References: <1992Dec24.014033.13747@ncsu.edu> <34624@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU> <C0301K.5nL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Dec30.173558.15382@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:42:53 GMT
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- gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
-
- >In article <C0301K.5nL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
-
- >}Apparently somebody has never heard of military conscription.
-
- >Been there, done that. It isn't quite the same as trying to legally
- >ban abortion. 'Course, I've never had (or been denied) an abortion.
- >I suspect that the number of people who have had abortions (or even
- >tried to have them) and have also been drafted to approach zero.
- >Being as how I doubt we can have an experienced person comment, I
- >suppose we will have to rely on the Thinkers, of which you are
- >obviously not one.
-
- *shrug* I'm rubber your glue....
-
- The main difference between pregnancy and the draft is that in pregnancy
- you know almost exactly what is going to happen to you. In a war,
- you never know how you might die, or when. How many men were "emotionally"
- scarred for life in Vietnam? I'm sure some were drafted.
-
- >}The over 90% of illegal abortions performed before Roe v Wade were done
- >}by licensed physicians in good medical standing in their own offices.
- >}The number of deaths before and after Roe v Wade showed no statistical
- >}decrease in deaths resulting from abortion.
- >}
- >}Stop perpetuating these lies.
-
- >Good advice. I think those figures are rather foolish myself. I doubt
- >you could find any reliable source for any percentage of illegal abortions.
-
- These figures are well documented. See my previous posts. You are the
- fool saying you "think" and "doubt" about information which I have provided
- references. You, on the otherhand, dismiss my statistics without a shred
- of fact. Just who was it that wasn't a "Thinker"?
-
- >}Ms. Smith consented to have sex. In so doing she has surrendered her rights
- >}to bodily integrity and personal autonomy.
-
- >Darn. I thought she just consented to have sex. Where is it written that
- >she did all that other stuff? In your Big Book Of The Way I Wished Things
- >Worked, perhaps?
-
- Blame Mother Earth. Long before you or I were here evolution wrote the
- rules.
-
- >}Once again, Ms. Smith went and had sex without using her brain.
-
- >How do you know? Were you there?
-
- If Ms. Smith isn't adult enough to handle a pregnancy, she shouldn't have
- sex. If Mr. Smith isn't adult enough handle fatherhood, he shouldn't
- have sex. All of these "problems" the liberals scream about fixing are
- directly dependent on declining moral values. I'm not talking about
- wrath of God and all that, but just simple mature adult responsibility.
-
- >}Murder is murder.
-
- >Murder is not abortion. Abortion is not murder.
-
- To avoid responsibility you can label it however you want.
-
- >}Morally and scientifically life begins at fertilization, and so does
- >}citizenhood.
-
- >You seem to have a different concept of "life" than many of the scientists
- >I have talked to. I don't know about your morals but mine tell me
- >that life began long before fertilization was even thought of. As
- >for "citizenhood," I couldn't find it in a dictionary, so you may
- >be correct in asserting that, although to what end I can't imagine.
- >
-
- Big deal. A nuclear physicist has no more credibility when discussing
- abortion than a bus driver. Both are speaking completely out of their
- fields. I'm glad you know how to use a dictionary. I thought that the
- liberal school system had eliminated anyone left who could alphabetize.
-
- Anyone who can read, and is willing to do so, is perfectly credible
- discussing this.
-
- Regardless of who your "scientist" friends are, there's just as many
- who hold the opposite position. Always keep one thing in mind, scientists
- need money just like the rest of us. When funding time comes around,
- they'll say whatever it takes (like all this Ozone hole garbage).
- Experts are human, just like the rest of us. They need to survive in
- our capitalist, free market society.
-
- >}Edward Simmonds
-
-
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- > Galen Hekhuis UVa Health Sci Ctr (804)982-1646 gjh@virginia.edu
- > Illiterate? Write for FREE help...
-
- Edward Simmonds- Honest, but getting depressed about it
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