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- From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.religion.misc,alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: An Abortion Argument that has nothing to do with OT and NT
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- Date: 30 Dec 92 18:32:26 GMT
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- In article <C001Iq.2ED.1@cs.cmu.edu> drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake) writes:
- >iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen) writes:
- >
- >>From the post I got the impression that 'donations' to the church are
- >>completely voluntary in the US. Is this true?
- >
- >Yes.
- >
- >>Here in Finland, when you join
- >>the church (as most people do when they are born), you have a set tax you
- >>have to pay to the church of 2% of income. This comes into play only after
- >>you are 18, of course.
- >
- >Wow, I didn't know that. What if you don't join any church - if you're an
- >atheist or something? Or if you belong to a non-Christian religion,
- >such as Buddhism or the Temple of Set or such?
- >
- >Hmm...if you're exempt when you aren't a Christian, you might get some
- >people who just pretend they aren't for a tax break! <g>
- >
- >
- >
- >--
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- >Xeper and Remanifest, | to drake@seismo.soar.cs.cmu.edu
- > DRAKE | or it'll bounce back to you...
-
- Germany has a similar law. You specify protestant or catholic, usually
- when you are born, and the money is taken out of your paycheck. You
- can leave the church, but it is not easy. And most people who are
- Christians (a) would not want to leave and (b) would not want to lie
- in order to escape the tax. The problem is that it is compulsory,
- so there is no free giving in it, and at most a free acceptance of the
- compulsion.
-
- I lived in Germany for three years and was (and am) a member of a non-
- denominational church, Die Christengemeinschaft (The Christian Community).
- I checked the appropriate box on the forms and was exempted from the
- tax. Someone told me that the Kirchensteuer was established during the
- Nazi regime as a part of the compromise between Hitler and the churches.
- He agreed to let the established churches alone and even support them
- if they would promise to keep out of politics. I haven't been able
- to vary this, nor do I know when the church tax was established in
- Finland or other countries -- was it before or after or during that
- time?
-
- By the way, my ancestry is 100% Finnish. Shows how little I know about
- the old country.
-
- Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
-