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- From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
- Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
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- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:48:28 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.174828.20687@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
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- In article <C015n2.Ipw@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, psl@nrl.navy.mil (Paul Lebow) writes:
- >
- >
- > RE: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
- >
- > In article <28DEC92.21004829@vax.clarku.edu> hsims@vax.clarku.edu writes:
- >
- > > Do you know of any way to give rights to a fetus without taking away
- > rights
- > > from the pregnant woman?
-
- > The question pre-supposes the conclusion that
- >
- > 1) all rights by definition are inviolate
-
- No it doesn't. It clearly refers to a conflict and does not say anything
- about rights being inviolate. Support your assertion, please.
-
- > 2) the rights of the unborn child will automatically conflict with the
- > mother.
-
- No it does not. It clearly speaks of giving rights to a fetus
- and asks how to do so without taking rights from the mother. Your
- remark speaks of existing rights. Heather's clearly refers to rights
- not yet provided. Whatever rights are already possessed by a fetus are
- not mentioned in Heather's statement. Also, you have not, as yet,
- answered the question.
-
- > 3) the pregnant woman has, by definition, higher priority rights than
- > others.
-
- No, the question makes no statement whatsoever with regard to
- priority. It asks about a potential conflict. Perhaps the context
- and meaning of Heather's remarks are unclear to you. I'll try,
- though I may be wrong as to her meaning, to explain what I think
- she was trying to say. That is, providing a transendant right to
- live to a fetus would remove from the woman the right to control
- some aspects of her body, as such a right would be lost in the
- conflict. I think Heather may also have had some fairly clear
- and logical implications of such a move, which implications have
- been discussed in this forum many times. For example, once a
- fetus is given such a transcendant right, the state must then be
- seen to have an interest in protecting the fetus against any
- actions which the woman may take that would harm the fetus. And
- while the "clear and present danger" standard may of course
- permit a pregnant woman to continue to drive her car or wash
- her hair, it could be used to control where she drives and how,
- what she uses to wash her hair, and many other activites besides.
- The use of alcohol and cigarettes comes to mind immediately.
- There are less obvious threats, however, such as whom she sees
- and when (someone with an illness), the family cat may have to
- be removed (toxicoplasmosis), her work with computers could be
- curtailed as CRTs are a health danger, and so on.
-
- I hope that it is clearer for you now.
-
- Dean Kaflowitz
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-