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- From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
- Subject: Re: PRO-LIFE SEASON'S GREETINGS
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.195401.22556@netcom.com>
- Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco
- References: <nyikos.725557125@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:54:01 GMT
- Lines: 88
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- Peter, your message is appreciated, even if your motives are suspect.
-
- nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >
- >I wish a happy Christmas season to everyone, including the abortionists,
- >those super-Grinches who steal EVERY Christmas from the little ones they
- >abort.
-
- Now THERE's a loaded statement, if ever I heard one! ;-) I could
- similarly wish a happy holiday to everyone including the pro-forcers,
- those super-Grinches who would rather see women properly subservient
- to men by virtue of a legal decision that they don't have the right to
- decide what's done with their bodies. But I won't wish such a thing,
- at least not in such words, because I would much rather see us all
- united during the holiday season. (Hey, I can always hope...)
-
- >May they and everyone else begin to catch a glimpse of the twin
- >paradoxical motives which prod me forward in my pro-life efforts:
- >
- >1. The HOPE that there is a life after death and a very loving, very
- >powerful, very merciful God who can make that life worthwhile. For if
- >either of these is missing, what do the little ones about to be aborted
- >have to look forward to?
- >
- >Were it not for the above HOPE, I might well be a pro-choicer by
- >default, blocking out all serious thoughts of the reality of abortion,
- >lest I be brought to utter despair by the above fear.
-
- I can't quite figure out what you mean by that, but you apparently
- don't know what it means to be atheist. I do not believe that there
- exists a god nor an afterlife of any sort, and I certainly haven't
- been despairing. In any case, my atheist opinions have no bearing on
- my pro-choice views.
-
-
- >2. The FEAR that this is all a pipe dream and that death means the end
- >of everything for these little ones, who are destined not for a life as
- >we know it, but an oblivion from which everything we hold dear is
- >completely missing including (but this is really frosting on the cake)
- >Christmas.
- >
- >Were it not for the above FEAR, I might well be a pro-choicer by
- >default, because I would be smug with the satisfaction that all's well
- >that ends well (or, to put it more crudely, the end justifies the
- >means) and that the aborted little ones are with God in His heaven and
- >all's well with the world...
-
- You seem to overlook that there could be other opinions on the subject
- that are better thought-out than this one you've come up with. Your
- words, Peter, indicate that you haven't given a lot of effort to
- really understand why pro-choicers feel the way we do about abortion.
- My understanding of the pro-life side comes from the fact that I used
- to be strongly pro-life, but after finding this newsgroup and doing a
- lot of soul-searching, I came around to the pro-choice side.
-
-
- >In neither case would I be likely to do much if anything to try to
- >reduce the 1,500,000+ abortions annually in the U.S., of which well
- >over 100,000 are past the first trimester and over 10,000 of which are
- >past the point where the unborn child would be able to live outside the
- >womb, albeit with intensive care in most cases.
-
- I would very much like to reduce the number of abortions, and I don't
- see why you wouldn't. The only difference between our viewpoints,
- Peter, is that I don't feel bringing the law into the picture is going
- to help society in the long run, any more than instituting martial law
- in the United States would be good for society by eliminating crime.
- Do you want to deal with the problem of unwanted pregnancies by
- forcing births, or would you rather work with us to find better ways
- to deal with the source of the problem?
-
- >Finally, here is a special Christmas season wish to those little ones
- >whom I sometimes fondly call "Whos from Whoville", aborted by the
- >super-Grinches, that they may indeed experience their First Birth, and
- >to us all that we may, after death, experience our Second Birth, as
- >expressed in the final verse of the new, non-sexist version of "Hark!
- >The Herald Angels Sing!":
-
- Cute. ;-)
-
- Happy Winter Solstice!
-
- --
- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun
- /_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire
- _/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.
- / Nolite te bastardes Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.
- / carborundorum. -- Rousseau
-