home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Path: sparky!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx!mcochran
- From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
- Subject: Re: Cycle 3 in my corresponcence with Mark on fetal tissue
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.052316.18777@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
- X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
- of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither
- control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
- Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account)
- Organization: Um, err... I *know* I saw it here a few days ago...
- References: <nyikos.725140792@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 05:23:16 GMT
- Lines: 54
-
- Me:
-
- >What is your position, then, on harvesting organs from neonates with
- >no chance of survival?
- >As an example, consider the fairly recent media case in which an
- >anencephalic newborn's parents wished to donate any usable organs to
- >infants on the waiting lists.
- >The NRL groups took it to court and prevented the transplants on the
- >basis that the infant was not yet dead. Technically true, since it
- >(like most anenchephalics that are not stillborn) did have a brain
- >stem. of course, it had zero chance of survival.
- >Would you have supported the parents right to donate the organs?
- >
-
- Petey Ny:
- >Not fully, until the baby was legally dead. After that, no problem.
- >
- >A non-fatal organ donation, such as that of one kidney, would have been
- >acceptable to me. Ditto small blood donations, etc.
- >
- Well then, lets look at this case...
- From the one anencephalic baby, we could have harvested 1 heart, 2
- lungs, 2 kidneys, a liver suitable for ressection to provide
- transplants for as many as 3 others, bone marrow, and 2 corneas.
- Transplant recipients had been identified with tissue matches for the
- heart, both lungs, both kidneys, and 2 liver sections. Bone marrow had
- not been matched yet. Neither had corneas, but they are relatively
- easy to match.
-
- Since people who call themselves Pro-Life took steps to halt any organ
- donations until after brain death, this is the outcome:
- The recipients for the heart, both lungs, 1 kidney and 1 liver section
- are now dead. The other kidney, liver, and bone marrow recipients are
- still waiting and hoping. The corneas were eventually used.
-
- This is why it's wrong to take medical decisions into the courts.
- Here's some info for you.
- An anencephalic baby has no brain above the brain stem. The brain stem
- is enough to maintain "legal" life (i.e. no brain death) until other
- body systems fail completly. There is zero chance for survival. None.
- Zip. Nada. At most, we can keep the baby alive for a few days, and
- cost the parents a few hundred thousand dollars. By the time brain
- death occurs, and the "Pro-Life" people decide it's Ok to donate the
- organs, they are not usable.
- So, you and your "Pro-Life" friends can and should consider yourselves
- responsible for the deaths of 4 children. Born, wanted, otherwise
- healthy children who needed a transp
- Hope you're happy with yourself.
-
- --
- Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
- These are the views of my employer. They also represent the views of
- your employer, your government, the Church of your choice, and the
- Ghost of Elvis. So there.
-