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- From: clavazzi@nux.cs.du.edu (The_Doge)
- Subject: Re: Is Fire Bombing a Legitimate Form of Free Speach.
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.052048.18650@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- References: <1992Dec25.191755.12514@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1992Dec26.212139.9327@ncsu.edu> <1992Dec28.013646.17778@wetware.com>
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 05:20:48 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec28.013646.17778@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
- >dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >
- >] In article <1992Dec25.191755.12514@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
- >] clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (The_Doge) writes:
- >]
- >] > The *really* interesting thing is that [Mr. Holtsinger] apparently regards
- >] > firebombs, death threath, vandalism, and couragous acts such as pouring
- >] > gasoline into the ceiling of a clinic and dropping in a match as acts of
- >] > "civil disobedience".
- >]
- >] Gee, I guess some 'civil libertarians' are too dumb to
- >] recognize a defense of 'free speech'. The article that
- >] I posted mentioned nothing about firebombs or death
- >] threats, but it did mention several instances where
- >] Operation Rescue had its free speech rights curtailed.
- >]
- >] >The_Doge
- >]
- >] Doug Holtsinger
- >
- >
- >point of order, there are active OpResKrew members who
- >are proud of their convicitons as Bombers. To deny this
- >is to Deny mere legal facts. { a point we all know you
- >would NEVER wish to do. }
- >
- >The point brings you to Defend the Actions of the OpResKrew
- >IN the Breach, as well as in the Rhetoric.
- >
- Even more to the point: DOD originally used the term "civil
- disobedience", *not* "free speech", and offered it as a blanket defense of
- the activities of OR. I drew the (not unreasonable) conclusion that he
- therefore regarded all of ORs activities as "civil disobedience".
- In my book, "civil disobedience" consists of passively refusing to
- cooperate with laws one regards as unjust. It does not include death threats,
- bombs, and assault.
- But perhaps DOD has a different definition.
-
- >Now, We return you to the Question:
- >
- >Do You support Armed Terrorism as a Form of Free Speach?
- >
- To which I must add:
- - does he support planting bombs as a form of free speech?
- - ditto for anonymous death threats?
- - ditto for assaulting clinic escorts and/or personnel?
-
- >Or are you still confused and hoping to dream of
- >the Happy Land of Nick_at_Nite as a Political Reality?
- >
- >
- >ciao
- >drieux
- >
- The_Doge
- ObQuote: "We must find ways to starve the terrorist and the hijacker
- of the oxygen of publicity on which they depend."
- -- Margaret Thatcher, quoted in _The Times_,
- 7/16/85
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-