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- From: smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Equal protection dead end? 3.
- Message-ID: <34657@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>
- Date: 28 Dec 92 02:36:24 GMT
- References: <1992Dec22.164717.26839@rotag.mi.org> <34556@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU> <1992Dec28.003613.16323@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: NYU Stern School of Business
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- In article <1992Dec28.003613.16323@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org
- (Kevin Darcy) writes:
-
- >Read it again, moron: "equal PAY for identical PAY". What the hell does
- >that gibberish mean? Pay for pay?
-
- You knew very well that it meant equal pay for identical work, moron.
- It was correct in the original citing of the fact that it did not
- require proof of discrimination.
-
- >Are you an honorable man, Stephen? Can you honestly and forthrightly admit
- >your mistake?
-
- Yes, I made a typo in a discussion of equal pay for identical work
- subsequent to our original discussion and long after it should have
- been clear to an idiot what was meant.
-
- >If your "reputation" is all you have to hide behind, then I predict you'll
- >have only a temporary respite, if things continue like this.
-
- I guess I'll just have to take that chance.
-
- >Are you trying to tell me that "equal pay for identical work" has nothing
- >to do with trying to combat discrimination??? What are you trying to pull
- >here?
-
- The same thing I have been telling you all along: Unequal pay for
- identical work requires no proof of discriminatory intent for a
- finding of illegal discrmination.
-
- >I said "probably", Stephen. Then I considered the fact that maybe the laws
- >were consciously written to relieve the claimants of the burden of proving
- >intent. As it happens, that's how most of the Equal Opportunity laws are
- >written. As for whether there is really a substantive difference between:
-
- Now all of a sudden, you remember the conversation you could not
- remember before because of my typo? Aren't you embarassed to be so
- disingenuous within the same post? On top of that your substantive
- claim here is incorrect: very few discrimination laws are written to
- relive plaintiff's burden of proof. Deletia of example in which Kevin
- once again incorrectly claims that intent is presumed in equal pay
- cases.
-
- >Whether one can generalize from the specific case of EMPLOYMENT discrimination
- >to discrimination in general, is of course a highly debatable question too.
-
- I am not trying to do so at all. I have clearly stated the following
- since the beginning: (1) I accept discriminatory effect as proof of
- discriminatory intent in the case of advocacy of abortion laws. (2)
- As an example of a legal case where this reasoning is accepted, I
- cited equal pay for identical work. It's that simple. Has been all
- along. Your diversions about *your* burden of proof, equal
- protection, and the Constitution deleted.
-
- >I have shown your "proof" to be irrational. That is sufficient. If you
- >still cling to the notion that your "proof" is rational, why don't you
- >respond to the crazed sniper example, i.e. a crazed sniper fires into a
- >crowd, and kills more women than men; is the crazed sniper a misogynist?
-
- I already did. Now how about the crazed poster. Fires random
- thoughts into the net, jumbles them all up, and blames everyone else.
-
- SJM
-