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- From: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.society.civil-liberty
- Subject: Re: Operation Rescue
- Message-ID: <1992Dec27.191014.8021@ncsu.edu>
- Date: 27 Dec 92 19:10:14 GMT
- References: <1162@blue.cis.pitt.edu> <1992Dec25.191755.12514@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1992Dec26.212139.9327@ncsu.edu> <1175@blue.cis.pitt.edu>
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- In article <1175@blue.cis.pitt.edu>
- sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
- >dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
-
- >> Gee, I guess some 'civil libertarians' are too dumb to
- >> recognize a defense of 'free speech'.
-
- > the comments were not a reply to the newspaper article that
- > you posted, but to your comments describing O.R.'s actions
- > as civil disobedience.
-
- As you've told other posters, I'm not obligated to stick
- to the subject.
-
- > Do you have any documentation for O.R.'s claims that their
- > rights have been abridged?
-
- Certainly, here are just a few examples of prior restraint of
- free speech against Operation Rescue:
-
- "The Los Angeles Times did include a sentence in an editorial
- last year saying that charging [Randall] Terry with conspiracy
- in a non-RICO, Los Angeles case was an ``excessive restriction
- on free speech.''"
-
- While supporting conviction of the protesters for trespass and
- disorderly conduct, these papers editorialized that using the
- RICO act against [Operation Rescue] was an inappropriate restriction
- of legitimate political protest--``unfair,'' ``unreasonable,''
- ``outrageous,'' ``an abomination.''
-
- "Most major editorial pages were equally silent when the U.S.
- Supreme Court earlier this year refused to grant a stay against
- an injunction prohibiting Operation Rescue from demonstrating at
- abortion clinics in Atlanta. Columnist James Kilpatrick, who
- praised another court decision unfavorable to Operation Rescue
- activities, criticized the Atlanta decision as an unconstitu-
- tional prior restraint on speech."
-
- From: "Abortion foes stereotyped, some in the media believe",
- by David Shaw, Los Angeles Times, July 2, 1990
-
- > The group sued the city of
- > Pittsburgh in federal court - the case was dropped because
- > there was no evidence of any of their claims. In another
- > incident, an O.R. member here claimed that he had been
- > stun-gunned by the police. The videotape that they offered
- > as evidence clearly showed the officer's "stun gun" to
- > be a flashlight.
-
- So what? Are you claiming these cases prove that the members
- of Operation Rescue have never had their constitutional rights
- restricted?
-
- > Are you defending O.R. because they're fetus fanatics like
- > you, or because they're pathological liars like you?
-
- No, I'm defending Operation Rescue's right to free speech.
-
- >Susan
-
-
- Doug Holtsinger
-