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- From: smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Darcy and the Twelve Specious Arguments.
- Message-ID: <34636@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>
- Date: 25 Dec 92 17:43:51 GMT
- References: <1992Dec23.013411.7322@ncsu.edu> <1992Dec23.193014.13808@ncar.ucar.edu> <1992Dec25.033234.4258@rotag.mi.org>
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- In article <1992Dec25.033234.4258@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org
- (Kevin Darcy) writes supposedly `specious' pro-choice arguments:
-
- > o "abortion can be handled as strictly a medical issue"
-
- With respect to government policy, I believe all policy questions that
- have broad implications for public health, e.g. abortion, alcoholism,
- drug abuse, etc., should be handled first and foremeost as a medical
- issue. Any departures from policies that are medically indicated to
- protect the public health should be explicitly justified in terms of
- some greater good and be subjected to very serious scrutiny.
-
- > o "legislation is distinguishable from morality" / "morality
- > should not be legislated"
-
- The correct statement is that legislation is distinguishable from
- absolute morality if such a thing exists. All legislation is socially
- constructed; absolute morality, if it exists, is supposedly
- independent of social context. Legislation never is.
-
- > o "the collective has no (moral(?)) right to abrogate the legal
- > rights of an individual"
-
- This is specious as a general statement. I try to stick generally to
- questioning why the collective would want to engage in this particular
- abrogation of individual rights. My questions focus on how it
- allocates rights, why one would give rights to /z/e/f/s that no other
- human entity is given, how the danger to the health of women can be
- justified, and why one would advocate a policy that had a negative
- disparate impact on an already disadvantaged group.
-
- > o "a fetus has no value whatsoever"
-
- An overstatement and specious.
-
- > o "a fetus is just a parasite"
-
- From the point-of-view of the person who does not want the /z/e/f/ in
- her body I do not think a characterization of it as an unwanted
- parasite is specious. In fact, I think there is a high likelihood
- that a woman in this situation might actually feel this way.
-
- > o "a fetus is just a part of the woman's body"
-
- I understand that a /z/e/f/ has a potential eventually for life apart
- from the mother that no other part of a woman's body has. However, at
- a very general level of abstraction, I believe that since the /z/e/f/
- is contained wholly within the mother it qualifies as part of the
- mother. The metaphor is not specious.
-
- > o "a fetus is no different than a cancer"
-
- See discussion of parasite.
-
- > o "pro-life is inherently a religious view"
-
- The correct statement: Pro-life is frequently associated with
- fundamentalist religious views, Roman Catholic and other.
-
- > o "pro-life is inherently misogynistic"
-
- If one accepts the disparate impact of the legislative agenda of the
- fetus fanatics as sufficient evidence of misogyny, then this is not at
- all specious.
-
- > o "restrictive abortion laws violate Equal Protection"
-
- Do you think they enhance equal protection? In particular I have
- raised the issue of equity broadly and equal protection more narrowly,
- to question those who advocate the adoption of policies that have a
- negative disparate impact on already disadvantaged groups.
-
- > o "deadly self-defense is generally permissible against rape"
-
- I can't say I know much about this issue. Are you saying that a woman
- who is being raped cannot use deadly force to stop the attack?
-
- > o "abortion is not 'murder' in any sense, because it's currently
- > legal"
-
- If murder is a legal term, which it is, then this is factually correct
- with respect to that definition. Maybe you have some other meaning of
- murder in mind, but as long as the author of the specious statement
- has the right definition in their mind, I think it is you who makes a
- specious complaint.
-
- SJM
-