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- From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
- Subject: Re: Biological Reasons for Male Choice
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.204333.25008@netcom.com>
- Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:43:33 GMT
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- regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes ...
- > ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
- >>Hmmph. Sounds like the old line "women are weaker than men and must
- >>be cared for and protected by men."
- >
- >Hmmph. Sounds like you amuse yourself in the privacy of your own room
- >by making up arguments that you want to attack, rather than dealing with
- >the arguments your opponents have actually raised.
-
- That too. :-)
- But you didn't comment on the point I made that child support
- and custody have nothing to do with biology or gender.
-
- Careful, or I might use your own comment against you.
-
- >Oh, by the way, your 'so often it's nearly a cliche' could use a little
- >evidence. We'd all really love to see some information that would give
- >and idea on how big this problem really is. Might motivate some of us
- >to do something about it.
-
- Three examples, right off the top of my head, and ones you've probably
- read about yourself. Granted, they are specific examples and don't
- necessarily indicate a trend, but they do indicate that such
- situations are not rare.
-
- The most recent and notable is, of course, the Farrow/Allen tiff.
- Aside from the various irrelevencies, note that Allen has been banned
- from seeing his children by the courts (but Farrow hasn't).
-
- And a few years ago a woman spent a couple years in jail rather than
- let her ex-husband communicate with his child. She's now free, the
- kids in New Zealand with the mother's parents, and the father is out
- of luck.
-
- And lastly, the following news story which I posted a few days ago.
-
- -----------------------------------------
- Orange Country Register
-
- SANTA ANA -- A dilemma only for the ultra-rich: Can a court order you
- to indulge your children?
-
- Through not a burning legal issue, it still ignites furious debate in
- Organge County's highest court.
-
- When a wealthy Laguna Hills woman demanded an increase in her husband's
- child-support payment -- with evidence showing monthly expenditures by
- her 15-year-old daughter that included $2,000 for clothing, $300 for
- jewelry, and $1,600 for entertainment and travel -- one justice
- blanched.
-
- "If the custodial parent in this case wants to teach her daughter to be
- a 'power shopper,' so be it," Presiding Appeals Justice David Sills
- wrote in a recent decision. "The law of child support, however, does
- not require (a father) to subsidize the tuition for such training."
-
- But Sills proved to be in the minority. Two other justices overruled
- his ire and approved a boost in child-support payments from $2,000 to
- $6,000 per month.
-
- Associate Justice Edward Wallin and Associate Justice Henry Moore Jr.
- said case law is clear. A parent;s lifestyle can be a factor in
- determining the amount of child support.
-
- At the center of the debate is Ed Ulyate, 45, who made a fortune
- selling mini-blinds.
-
- Three years ago, he divorced his wife of 21 years, Sheryle. He bought
- out her half of the Irvine company, 3 Day Blinds, then valued at $15
- million. Ulyate then married his secretary, sold the company for $35
- million and settled into -- by his own sworn statement -- a "life of
- luxury" with a Virginia estate, a Florida waterfront home, $10 million
- in the Back, 32 vintage automobiles, an airplane, a helicopter, and a
- 48-foot yacht.
-
- After Ed Ulyate's bonanza, his ex-wife came to court with a list of
- demands for her daughter.
-
- Sheryle Ulyate argued that her ex-husband, already paring $2,000 in
- monthly child support, should contribute for their child a $50,000
- Porsche. a swimming pool, a diamond ring, and an increase to $15,000
- per month in support payments.
-
- In a 1990 court hearing, Superior Court Judge Nacy Wieben Stack cut
- back the list. She ordered no Porsche, pool, or ring.
-
- But Stock did find that the child's usual expenses amounted to $9,000 a
- month and ordered Ed Ulyate to pay $6,000 of that each month until the
- girl graduates from high school in June.
-
- Ed Ulyate filed an appeal arguing the increase didn't make sense,
- particularly when his ex-wife earns $768,000 a year on interest from
- her millions.
-
- Only Presiding Justice Sills agreed. "In a free society, parents may
- spoil their children -- courts should not compel it," he said.
-
- --
- Ray Fischer "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
- ray@netcom.com than lies." -- Friedrich Nietszsche
-