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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Mark Cochran and me on fetal tissue, Cycle 2
- Message-ID: <nyikos.725040883@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
- Sender: usenet@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (USENET News System)
- Organization: USC Department of Computer Science
- Date: 22 Dec 92 16:14:43 GMT
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- I was going to post "Cycle 2" in my e-mail exchange with Mark Cochran
- yesterday, but I wasn't able to locate my response to the message
- of his that I posted in Cycle 1. I still can't find it, but much if
- not all of it is still intact in his rejoinder, so I am displaying that below.
- [See how generous I am, letting you see his instant rebuttal? :-)]
-
- Here is the message, minus .signature:
-
- From: merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu (Merlin the Magician)
- Message-Id: <9212150431.AA19163@eddie.ee.vt.edu>
- Subject: Re: Lost Boy bugged by fetal tissue transplants.
- To: nyikos@milo (Peter Nyikos)
- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:31:09 EST
- In-Reply-To: <9212142244.AA22159@milo.math.scarolina.edu>; from "Peter Nyikos" at Dec 14, 92 5:44 pm
- X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
- Status: OR
-
- > Oops, looks like I mailed you a copy of my post and this is what you are
- > responding to. Anyway, I certainly give you permission to post your reply,
- > and if you do find the post showing up on the boards, please let me know.
- > My netserver has received nothing in the past 105 hours and so I am "flying
- > blind": even the old posts that show up in my index have all expired.
- >
- I also don't save my mail unless there's a good reason, so I don't
- have the message I replied to. If it shows up on the net, I'll respond
- again.
-
- > Let me comment on something you wrote in your earlier message:
- >
- > These fetal tissue cultures will be
- > derived from fetal tissues, if they are ever developed. As long as
- > funding for these projects is cut off by the federal govt, though, I
- > would say it is not terribly likely that the techniques will be
- > perfected in this country. There are already several european centers
- > far ahead of us in this field.
- >
- > To which I reply:
- >
- > To the best of my knowledge, funding for this aspect of fetal tissue
- > research has never been curtailed. The only things for which funding
- > was curtailed, as far as I know, were (1) experimentation on live
- > aborted human fetuses and (2) fetal tissue transplants. And even (2)
- > is about to have its funding restored by executive order, courtesy of
- > Bill Clinton.
- >
- (1) There is no such thing as a "live aborted human fetus".
- (2) If we don't do the experimental tissue transplants, to demonstrate
- a need for the cultures, what possible reason whould there be to
- develope the technology to provide the tissue cultures?
- (3) Where do you think we get the tissue for the cultures originally
- if not from aborted fetuses?
- (4) Hurray for Bill Clinton.
-
-
- --
- Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
- onyx@loligo.cc.fsu.edu merlin@any.abermud.anywhere
- ________________________________End of letter_____________________________
-
- A very quick comment, with my rebuttal to come in Cycle 3 and later:
- "aborted" is correct if one includes spontaneous abortions, i.e.
- miscarriages. A lot of the tissue obtained in that way is unusable,
- but some of it is not.
-
- Oh, and one clarification in re (2): the fact that some fetal tissue
- transplants have been done with private funding in the USA is not
- contradicted by anything said in Mark's (2) or any of the above.
-
- Peter Nyikos
-
-