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- From: hsims@vax.clarku.edu
- Subject: RE: Loren and Heather should bicker in person, not on net
- Message-ID: <22DEC92.16592843@vax.clarku.edu>
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- Date: 22 DEC 92 16:59:28 GMT
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- In a previous article, nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) wrote:
- >In <17DEC92.14415107@vax.clarku.edu> hsims@vax.clarku.edu writes:
- >
- >I don't know about Loren, but my answer would be no. On the other hand,
- >I am glad DES and the Dalkon Shield have been banned, and I hope RU-486,
- >which endangers the health and even lives of women, like the French smoker
- >whose death was linked to the chemical, will not gain wide entry into the
- >USA.
-
- Do you think that non-smokers who understand the risks involved should not
- be allowed to make their own decision and choose to use RU-486?
-
- >>Do you still think rape victims should be forced to give birth to their
- >>rapist's child just because you want them to?
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >The marked words are either redundant or unwarranted, depending on how
- >Heather uses words like "just because."
-
- Loren never gave any good reasons why rape victims should be forced to suffer
- further, other than saying that was what he wanted them to do. That's why I
- used those words.
-
- >Clue: the rapist's child is wanted by lots of people who would be glad
- >to adopt it. Heather is not only leaving the child out of her "just
- >because," she is also leaving out the men and women who are desperate
- >for children to adopt.
-
- First of all, if a woman aborts there is no "child". Second,
- I see no reason why rape victims should be forced to produce healthy white
- babies for these "desperate" people. Are these people who are so anxious to
- adopt aware of the number of older and handicapped children in foster care
- that would love to be adopted? Have they looked into adopting any of the
- 150,000-200,000 orphaned and abandons BORN children from Romania?
-
- >Whether that overrides the desire of the woman to abort, is a difficult
- >question, but has nothing to do with the words "just because".
- >
- >For one thing, the woman might be under intense pressure to abort to
- >prove that she was not "asking for it" or "enjoying it." So long as
- >our society does not divest itself of these abominable attitudes, women
- >raped do not have a completely free choice as to whether to abort or not.
-
- The rape survivors I worked with that had abortions made their own decision
- to do so, because they couldn't stand the idea of having the rapist's child.
- It had nothing to do with proving they weren't asking for it.
-
- [quotes from the 19th century deleted]
-
- >>Are you still insisting that women's bodies be used against their will while
- >>you yourself are unwilling to let your body be used to save the life of a
- >>fetus?
- >
- >Uh-oh. Did Keith make his usual offer while I was "flying blind"? Before
- >long, I'll post "What did Keith tell you about me, Mark?"
-
- Keith didn't make the offer. I offer to carry to term if Loren would agree to
- be fisted for nine months. If Keith wasn't interested I was going to ask my
- brother, but of course it never got that far, Loren was not interested in
- having HIS body used to keep a fetus alive. He only wanted to force women to
- do things like that.
-
- [ramblings about Susan and Keith deleted]
-
- >Peter Nyikos
-
- .... Heather.
-