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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Loren Finkelstein, "dictator," meet C.D. Hall & death penalty
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- In <1992Dec17.180448.14467@eco.twg.com> chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall) writes:
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- >In <16DEC92.21555384@vax.clarku.edu> lfinkelstein@vax.clarku.edu writes:
- >>In a previous article, chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall) wrote:
- >>>In <16DEC92.07023222@vax.clarku.edu> lfinkelstein@vax.clarku.edu writes:
- >>>>In a previous article, chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall) wrote:
- >>>>>In <14DEC92.21004172@vax.clarku.edu> lfinkelstein@vax.clarku.edu writes:
-
- >>>>> 1) What quality do human beings possess that makes it wrong to
- >>>>> kill them?
- >>>
- >>>>There is no one quality that makes us "wrong to kill". There is no one
- >>>>quality that makes us human beings. It is a whole bunch of things, some of
- >>>>which are not quantifiable. I just don't think that
- >>>>age/maturity/state-of-development is one of them.
- >>>
- >>>I disagree with this, for reasons I've discussed in previous articles.
-
- >>You disagree that there is not one quality? Could you please tell us what
- >>that quality is, in your opinion.
-
- >No, I agree with the "not one quality" part. I disagree with everything
- >else you said.
-
- >There are two qualities:
- > - The ability to enjoy exercising "human rights" and to suffer
- > when these rights are infringed upon, OR, the potential
- > to have this ability.
- > - The ability to function from day-to-day without causing
- > people to suffer by infringing upon their rights (whether
- > intentionally or accidentally.)
-
- A kleptomaniac would seem to fit the second description. Also psychotics
- and sociopaths of various sorts.
-
- >[I don't feel like posting a long definition of "human rights".
- >Just assume that it means more or less what you think it means.]
-
- A kleptomaniac would probably think you and 'e are talking a different
- language.
-
- >If something lacks the first quality, then it isn't inherently
- >wrong to kill it. This would include non-human animals, as well
- >as brain-dead accident victims.
-
- >If something lacks the second quality, then it isn't inherently
- >wrong to kill it, provided there is _no_ _other_ _way_ to keep
- >it from infringing upon people's rights. Examples would be unwanted
- >sperm cells, unwanted non-viable fetuses, some unwanted viable fetuses,
- >and some criminals.
-
- Well, now. There are a number of ways of keeping criminals from doing
- what they do without killing them. I wonder what Charles Don Hall has
- in mind here, and whom he would include in his category of people it
- is not inherently wrong to kill. After all, a kleptomaniac has lots
- of opportunities to steal, even in a maximum-security prison.
-
- Backing up a minute, I wonder when it was legally established that a
- fetus in infringing on its mother's rights.
-
- >===========================================================
- >Charles Don Hall, Licensed Philosopher (chall@eco.twg.com)
- >===========================================================
-
- Licensed sophist is what I would call him.
-
- Peter Nyikos
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