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- From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
- Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.175756.18186@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
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- References: <1992Dec20.172908.14123@ncsu.edu> <1992Dec21.030848.7926@bmerh85.bnr.ca> <1992Dec21.050552.130@ncsu.edu>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 17:57:56 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec21.050552.130@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec21.030848.7926@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
- >nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
- >>dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >>>nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
- >
- >>>> who is qualified to decide
- >>>> when the health reasons are sufficient to justify an abortion?
- >
- >>> I believe that most physicians are qualified to determine whether
- >>> an abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother. Why do
- >>> you believe otherwise?
- >
- >> First - there are health risks other than death (the point has been
- >> made before - I guess you missed it).
- >
- >Physical health complications occur in a small minority of
- >pregnancies. I fail to understand how these cases justify
- >unrestricted abortion-on-demand throughout pregnancy.
-
- There are health complications in all pregnancies, ranging from the
- trivial (stretch marks) to the serious (post-natal depression, for
- example - clinical depression can be aggravated by depression) to
- the deadly. Who gets to decide where to draw the line? You, or the
- woman and her physician? You've already said you're not qualified . . .
-
- >I'm not a physician, so I'm not qualified to determine whether
- >an abortion is necessary to save a woman's life.
-
- Ah, so you do feel qualified to draw the line - only to save a woman's
- life.
-
- Is even a physician fully qualified to make this decision? What about
- the doctor who believes a pregnancy to be too dangerous, but the woman
- feels it's worth the risk and decides to go through with it, with little
- or no health effects? Or the depressive woman who might (yes, might)
- have her depression aggravated enough to make her suicidal. Can you
- quantify that risk? Can even a physician do so?
-
- (I know of one case where a pregnancy led to a depressive woman killing
- not only herself, but her two older children. In that case, she had
- chosen to continue the pregnancy, but by your rules would she have been
- allowed to choose not to? There was only a chance something might go
- wrong, after all, it wasn't a clearcut case of saving the mother's
- life.)
-
- >> Or do you disagree the woman should have any say in the matter? If so,
- >> consider the opposite (and not uncommon) situation - the physician
- >> believes the pregnancy to be too risky, but the woman chooses to
- >> accept the risk and continue with the pregnancy. Now, tell me the
- >> woman doesn't have a say in the matter . . .
- >
- >How does this situation justify unrestricted abortion-on-demand?
-
- Because all pregnancies involve some risk. Who decides if this risk
- is acceptable? Are you going to decide that abortion is acceptable
- if the risk of the mother dying is higher than a certain percentage?
- Remember, the risk is never 0, and seldom 100%! So, what's an
- acceptable percentage?
-
- >> But you've already set limits - only to save the life of the mother,
- >> and other health consequences be damned.
- >
- >No, the physician sets limits. I'm just a bystander.
-
- You've already set a limit - "to save a woman's life". Except it's
- seldom cut-and-dried, is it?
-
- >> So you do consider yourself
- >> qualified to dictate how much health risk someone else should be
- >> prepared to face, don't you?
- >
- >No, I don't consider myself qualified to determine how much
- >health risk someone should face, since I'm not a physician.
-
- So if a physician agrees to perform an abortion, you won't object?
- (Guess what, this is what happens in EVERY medical abortion - the
- physician agrees that the abortion is justified . . .)
-
- The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
-