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- From: greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield)
- Subject: Social Contract nonsense (was Re: [ACLU] Reproductive Freedom)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.120840.4591@newstand.syr.edu>
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- Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 12:08:39 EST
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- In article <1992Dec18.175758.11568@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >
- >As long as the end is _collectively_ approved, why should it matter whether a
- >given individual dissents, John, as long as he or she is free to leave the
- >collective anytime they want, thereby forsaking all of the benefits, as well
- >as the liabilities, of that particular Social Contract?
-
- BZZZT! Wrong! You presume that everybody implicitly consents to a "Social
- Contract." This was bad philosphy in Socrates' time, and it's *worse*
- philosphy now. (And your arrogant assertion, in a subsequent post, that only
- "pure anarchists" or those who have no knowledge of "Social Philosophy" think
- otherwise says nothing to change that fact.)
-
- Why is it bad philosphy? Simple. How can you say that by failing to take
- a positive action--which includes deserting one's property and family--one
- implicitly consents to a "Social Contract?" It's ludicrous.
-
- Why is it worse today than in Socrates' time. At least during Socrates
- time, one *could* actually move someplace where he would no longer be
- under the rule of any government. Today this is essentially impossible.
- So, though your argument is cozy, there is *no* way to escape *somebody's*
- "Social Contract."
-
-
- What's more, whether they be schooled in "Social Philosophy" or not, most
- of the people in the world seem to base their social beliefs upon some idea
- of natural law (morality) rather than upon any "Social Contract."
-
- When a murderer is sentenced to prison, do you really believe that people
- feel that society has the right to do so because the murderer has "accepted"
- a "Social Contract?" I'd say that, overwhelmingly, they feel that society has
- the right to do so simply because they believe that murder is a violation of
- natural law. They could care less what the murderer consents to, or not.
-
- (And, the fact that the vast majority of Americans subscribe to religions
- based upon natural law--not upon a "Social Contract"--demonstrates that in
- the US, for example, it is very unlikely that my interpretation is
- incorrect.)
-
- And this interpretation is *proven* by the various actions of countries with
- respect to *other* countries. Why did the US, for example, wage War against
- Iraq in order to free Kuwait? (And for a moment, let us ignore the real
- reasons, and go upon the stated purpose of "freeing Kuwait.") It certainly
- was not because of a "Social Contract" since social contract theory would
- indicate that there *isn't* any "Social Contract" between the US and Saddam
- Hussein or Iraq.
-
-
- So, the fact of the matter is that the "Social Contract" is a complete
- fallacy. It is based upon the rather strange idea that one can create
- a "contract," offer an individual no choice but to "participate," and then
- claim that the individual "consents" on the basis of their participation.
-
-
- That's what I'd call bad philosophy.
-
-
- --
- J. S. Greenfield greeny@top.cis.syr.edu
- (I like to put 'greeny' here,
- but my d*mn system wants a
- *real* name!) "What's the difference between an orange?"
-